And you pay far too much attention to what he says and not enough to what he does.
Hollywood wrote: > dick, > > > YOU do not decide what the POTUS SHOULD say. Thank God. > > On Sep 4, 11:55 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have responded several times. You just aren't bright enough to see >> what is in front of you, I guess. >> >> Just from the MO of Zero, he will say things that skirt the limits of >> what should be said and then the lesson plans will finish the job of >> indoctrinating. That way he has deniability and a finger to point at >> the Dept of Ed if he gets in trouble for the speech. He considers that >> a win-win. He has been doing that to his own people since he started >> campaigning. >> >> Loved the comment from the libs that he should have given the speech and >> then passed out the lesson plans. That way nobody could have >> complained. Then there was also the comment that Reagan and Bush I both >> talked to the students. Difference was that they did not send out >> lesson plans, they talked to actual students and they spoke in one >> school and CSPAN chose to broadcast the speech. Zero is not doing any >> of those things. Pure indoctrination. >> >> >> >> Hollywood wrote: >> >>> dick, >>> >>> Nothing else to say regarding the post of mine you are partially >>> responding to? >>> >>> On Sep 3, 4:07 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html >>>> >>>> Check the Classroom activities, and the frequently asked questions. >>>> Sent it before. This is from the Dept of Education. >>>> >>>> Check what is in the Classroom activities with what was mentioned >>>> before. They are changing them because of all the complaints about the >>>> slant that was taken and the pdf might have changed already. >>>> >>>> Hollywood wrote: >>>> >>>>> dick, >>>>> >>>>> I don't see a guide from the Education Dept. that you sent. Please >>>>> send me the link to that again. >>>>> >>>>> ALL lobby organizations send political contributions to political >>>>> parties, the most to the parties they believe will advance their >>>>> particular agenda. What would make the Teacher's Union different from >>>>> a Manufacturer's lobby, or the Agribusiness lobby or anyone else? I'm >>>>> all for making ANY and ALL contributions ILLEGAL attempts to bribe >>>>> public officials. >>>>> >>>>> You can claim pretty much anything REALLY means something else if you >>>>> wish to. proving it is a horse of a different color. >>>>> >>>>> Really? Exactly who is it that controls promotions and transfers >>>>> within a given school district? Is it the Federal Dept. Of Education? >>>>> Is it the local school Board? Is it the local Teacher's Union, based >>>>> on seniority & other factors? Are you trying to tell me that if an >>>>> individual teacher in St. Louis wishes to transfer to a different >>>>> school with the St. Luis District the decision is made by the Dept. of >>>>> Education in Washington, D.C? Is that was you're saying? >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 3, 2:11 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The guide I sent was from the Dept of Education itself. That is the one >>>>>> they sent out originally and the one they are now revising because of >>>>>> all the complaints. You are not paying any attention at all, are you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why do you think the teachers unions give so much money and assistance >>>>>> to the administration unless there is a quid pro quo. You really don't >>>>>> think beyond what the words say to what they are really meaning, do >>>>>> you. It is like the boss suggest that this section of a report might >>>>>> need some review. What he is saying is that you need to change that >>>>>> section. This is the same principle. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course they will not say it is REQUIRED. What they mean though is >>>>>> that if you want consideration for promotion or transfer to a better >>>>>> position you had damned well better have the students watch the speech >>>>>> and you had damned well better follow the curriculum. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hollywood wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> dick, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nonesense. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have pointed out that no one has submitted one of these scary lesson >>>>>>> plan guides.. Only what conservative bloggers, etc. have CLAIMED what >>>>>>> they consist of and/or REALLY mean. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have pointed out that no teacher is REQUIRED to do jack-shit, only >>>>>>> suggestions have been made and refuted the usage of the word "forced" >>>>>>> by conservatives. Haven't seen anyone refute that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have asked how "they", the Obama administration "controls" the >>>>>>> teachers unions. No response to that either. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No teacher is REQUIRED to even have his/her students watch the speech. >>>>>>> No one has challenged that statement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 3, 1:02 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have said nothing except that anyone who disagrees with you is >>>>>>>> talking BS. Personally I think you are the one with the BS. I did >>>>>>>> deal >>>>>>>> with the issue very completely but you fail to see what any sane person >>>>>>>> sees with this admin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> dick, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hold up on the hysterical partisan ranting and deal with THIS issue >>>>>>>>> and what you and I have said about it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your talking bullshit and if you'd calm down you'd realize that. I'm >>>>>>>>> not impressed by the Glenn Beck immitation. >>>>>>>>> "They don't tell the teachers what to do" That's right they don't , so >>>>>>>>> what are you riled up about? >>>>>>>>> "They control the Teacher union". Who does and how? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 11:01 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Remember all the talk about pragmatism in this president and we were >>>>>>>>>> overreacting last fall before the election? Look at what this POS >>>>>>>>>> admin >>>>>>>>>> has done so far and tell me I am overreacting. This is a crew who >>>>>>>>>> thinks nothing matters but what they want. You don't matter, your >>>>>>>>>> kids >>>>>>>>>> don't matter, the country doesn't matter; only Zero matters and what >>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>> wants to see done. They are pulling all the various activities into >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> WH with their czars, they are now telling companies how much they can >>>>>>>>>> pay people, they are naming people who are on record as being for >>>>>>>>>> euthanasia and eugenics and doing away with the Hippocratic Oath - >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> tell me I am over-reacting? Open your eyes and see what is really >>>>>>>>>> going >>>>>>>>>> on. Do you think they are doing all this for the laughs and just for >>>>>>>>>> something to do? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now you are changing the slant. They don't tell the teachers what >>>>>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>>>> but they send out the curricula to the teachers and they control the >>>>>>>>>> teachers unions. What do you think the teacher will do. I don't >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> to do this but if I don't I can kiss goodbye to any chance to get >>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> admin or get transferred to the good school. That is the message >>>>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>>>>> Alarmist, hysterical nonsense be damned. These people are serious >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> this krep they are pulling and you sit there and think it is nothing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They pull something, it gets massively complained about, it gets >>>>>>>>>> pulled >>>>>>>>>> back and we hear that someone did it without authorization and that >>>>>>>>>> someone gets fired and then given another good job. Over and over >>>>>>>>>> again. Their whole MO. This is the crew that said the returning >>>>>>>>>> military veterans were a threat to the country. Did you complain >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> that one? Wake up, fool! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> dick, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You are seriously over-reacting and the comparisons of President >>>>>>>>>>> Obama >>>>>>>>>>> to Hitler, talk of "Brownshirts" etc, is alarmist, hysterical >>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I repeat, SHOW ME WHERE ANY TEACHER WILL BE FORCED TO SHOW THIS TO >>>>>>>>>>> HER/ >>>>>>>>>>> HIS CLASS. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 9:20 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I told you before. I do not want the president asking the >>>>>>>>>>>> children to >>>>>>>>>>>> help him when the message is given in the schools. What he should >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> doing is asking the parents to help see that their kids get >>>>>>>>>>>> educated. >>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong place to reach out to. It smacks far too much of the >>>>>>>>>>>> personality >>>>>>>>>>>> cult. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> He asks them what they can do for him rather than what they can do >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> help themselves and their country. He is not the country. While >>>>>>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>>>>>> not a fan of the Kennedy clan, JFK did make a definite point in his >>>>>>>>>>>> speech about ask not. Zero is making it personal. That is >>>>>>>>>>>> specifically >>>>>>>>>>>> the problem I see with this. The whole thrust of this lesson plan >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> the problem. If you cannot see that, then you are ripe for >>>>>>>>>>>> wearing your >>>>>>>>>>>> uniform and doing your Sieg Heil salute. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dick, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But I did. What specific problems do you have with it? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 7:36 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you obviously didn't read the study guide that was passed out by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dept of Ed to go along with this speech. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d.b. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WOW, what a terrible thing to do. To actually encourage young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> ... >> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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