Hi Dick,
What Obama is doing right now is sinking like a rock!
Wonder if Holly knows that ?
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On Sep 4, 5:28 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
> And you pay far too much attention to what he says and not enough to
> what he does.
>
>
>
> Hollywood wrote:
> > dick,
>
> > YOU do not decide what the POTUS SHOULD say. Thank God.
>
> > On Sep 4, 11:55 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> I have responded several times. You just aren't bright enough to see
> >> what is in front of you, I guess.
>
> >> Just from the MO of Zero, he will say things that skirt the limits of
> >> what should be said and then the lesson plans will finish the job of
> >> indoctrinating. That way he has deniability and a finger to point at
> >> the Dept of Ed if he gets in trouble for the speech. He considers that
> >> a win-win. He has been doing that to his own people since he started
> >> campaigning.
>
> >> Loved the comment from the libs that he should have given the speech and
> >> then passed out the lesson plans. That way nobody could have
> >> complained. Then there was also the comment that Reagan and Bush I both
> >> talked to the students. Difference was that they did not send out
> >> lesson plans, they talked to actual students and they spoke in one
> >> school and CSPAN chose to broadcast the speech. Zero is not doing any
> >> of those things. Pure indoctrination.
>
> >> Hollywood wrote:
>
> >>> dick,
>
> >>> Nothing else to say regarding the post of mine you are partially
> >>> responding to?
>
> >>> On Sep 3, 4:07 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html
>
> >>>> Check the Classroom activities, and the frequently asked questions.
> >>>> Sent it before. This is from the Dept of Education.
>
> >>>> Check what is in the Classroom activities with what was mentioned
> >>>> before. They are changing them because of all the complaints about the
> >>>> slant that was taken and the pdf might have changed already.
>
> >>>> Hollywood wrote:
>
> >>>>> dick,
>
> >>>>> I don't see a guide from the Education Dept. that you sent. Please
> >>>>> send me the link to that again.
>
> >>>>> ALL lobby organizations send political contributions to political
> >>>>> parties, the most to the parties they believe will advance their
> >>>>> particular agenda. What would make the Teacher's Union different from
> >>>>> a Manufacturer's lobby, or the Agribusiness lobby or anyone else? I'm
> >>>>> all for making ANY and ALL contributions ILLEGAL attempts to bribe
> >>>>> public officials.
>
> >>>>> You can claim pretty much anything REALLY means something else if you
> >>>>> wish to. proving it is a horse of a different color.
>
> >>>>> Really? Exactly who is it that controls promotions and transfers
> >>>>> within a given school district? Is it the Federal Dept. Of Education?
> >>>>> Is it the local school Board? Is it the local Teacher's Union, based
> >>>>> on seniority & other factors? Are you trying to tell me that if an
> >>>>> individual teacher in St. Louis wishes to transfer to a different
> >>>>> school with the St. Luis District the decision is made by the Dept. of
> >>>>> Education in Washington, D.C? Is that was you're saying?
>
> >>>>> On Sep 3, 2:11 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> The guide I sent was from the Dept of Education itself. That is the
> >>>>>> one
> >>>>>> they sent out originally and the one they are now revising because of
> >>>>>> all the complaints. You are not paying any attention at all, are you.
>
> >>>>>> Why do you think the teachers unions give so much money and assistance
> >>>>>> to the administration unless there is a quid pro quo. You really don't
> >>>>>> think beyond what the words say to what they are really meaning, do
> >>>>>> you. It is like the boss suggest that this section of a report might
> >>>>>> need some review. What he is saying is that you need to change that
> >>>>>> section. This is the same principle.
>
> >>>>>> Of course they will not say it is REQUIRED. What they mean though is
> >>>>>> that if you want consideration for promotion or transfer to a better
> >>>>>> position you had damned well better have the students watch the speech
> >>>>>> and you had damned well better follow the curriculum.
>
> >>>>>> Hollywood wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> dick,
>
> >>>>>>> Nonesense.
>
> >>>>>>> I have pointed out that no one has submitted one of these scary lesson
> >>>>>>> plan guides.. Only what conservative bloggers, etc. have CLAIMED what
> >>>>>>> they consist of and/or REALLY mean.
>
> >>>>>>> I have pointed out that no teacher is REQUIRED to do jack-shit, only
> >>>>>>> suggestions have been made and refuted the usage of the word "forced"
> >>>>>>> by conservatives. Haven't seen anyone refute that.
>
> >>>>>>> I have asked how "they", the Obama administration "controls" the
> >>>>>>> teachers unions. No response to that either.
>
> >>>>>>> No teacher is REQUIRED to even have his/her students watch the speech.
> >>>>>>> No one has challenged that statement.
>
> >>>>>>> On Sep 3, 1:02 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> You have said nothing except that anyone who disagrees with you is
> >>>>>>>> talking BS. Personally I think you are the one with the BS. I did
> >>>>>>>> deal
> >>>>>>>> with the issue very completely but you fail to see what any sane
> >>>>>>>> person
> >>>>>>>> sees with this admin.
>
> >>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> dick,
>
> >>>>>>>>> Hold up on the hysterical partisan ranting and deal with THIS issue
> >>>>>>>>> and what you and I have said about it.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Your talking bullshit and if you'd calm down you'd realize that. I'm
> >>>>>>>>> not impressed by the Glenn Beck immitation.
> >>>>>>>>> "They don't tell the teachers what to do" That's right they don't ,
> >>>>>>>>> so
> >>>>>>>>> what are you riled up about?
> >>>>>>>>> "They control the Teacher union". Who does and how?
>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 11:01 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Remember all the talk about pragmatism in this president and we
> >>>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>> overreacting last fall before the election? Look at what this POS
> >>>>>>>>>> admin
> >>>>>>>>>> has done so far and tell me I am overreacting. This is a crew who
> >>>>>>>>>> thinks nothing matters but what they want. You don't matter, your
> >>>>>>>>>> kids
> >>>>>>>>>> don't matter, the country doesn't matter; only Zero matters and
> >>>>>>>>>> what he
> >>>>>>>>>> wants to see done. They are pulling all the various activities
> >>>>>>>>>> into the
> >>>>>>>>>> WH with their czars, they are now telling companies how much they
> >>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>> pay people, they are naming people who are on record as being for
> >>>>>>>>>> euthanasia and eugenics and doing away with the Hippocratic Oath -
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> tell me I am over-reacting? Open your eyes and see what is really
> >>>>>>>>>> going
> >>>>>>>>>> on. Do you think they are doing all this for the laughs and just
> >>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>> something to do?
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Now you are changing the slant. They don't tell the teachers what
> >>>>>>>>>> to do
> >>>>>>>>>> but they send out the curricula to the teachers and they control
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> teachers unions. What do you think the teacher will do. I don't
> >>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>> to do this but if I don't I can kiss goodbye to any chance to get
> >>>>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>>> admin or get transferred to the good school. That is the message
> >>>>>>>>>> here.
> >>>>>>>>>> Alarmist, hysterical nonsense be damned. These people are serious
> >>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>> this krep they are pulling and you sit there and think it is
> >>>>>>>>>> nothing.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> They pull something, it gets massively complained about, it gets
> >>>>>>>>>> pulled
> >>>>>>>>>> back and we hear that someone did it without authorization and that
> >>>>>>>>>> someone gets fired and then given another good job. Over and over
> >>>>>>>>>> again. Their whole MO. This is the crew that said the returning
> >>>>>>>>>> military veterans were a threat to the country. Did you complain
> >>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>> that one? Wake up, fool!
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hollywood wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> dick,
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You are seriously over-reacting and the comparisons of President
> >>>>>>>>>>> Obama
> >>>>>>>>>>> to Hitler, talk of "Brownshirts" etc, is alarmist, hysterical
> >>>>>>>>>>> nonsense.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I repeat, SHOW ME WHERE ANY TEACHER WILL BE FORCED TO SHOW THIS
> >>>>>>>>>>> TO HER/
> >>>>>>>>>>> HIS CLASS.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 9:20 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I told you before. I do not want the president asking the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> children to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> help him when the message is given in the schools. What he
> >>>>>>>>>>>> should be
> >>>>>>>>>>>> doing is asking the parents to help see that their kids get
> >>>>>>>>>>>> educated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong place to reach out to. It smacks far too much of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> personality
> >>>>>>>>>>>> cult.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> He asks them what they can do for him rather than what they can
> >>>>>>>>>>>> do to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> help themselves and their country. He is not the country.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> While I am
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not a fan of the Kennedy clan, JFK did make a definite point in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>> speech about ask not. Zero is making it personal. That is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> specifically
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the problem I see with this. The whole thrust of this lesson
> >>>>>>>>>>>> plan is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the problem. If you cannot see that, then you are ripe for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wearing your
> >>>>>>>>>>>> uniform and doing your
>
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