Hello.

Jens Hoffrichter via Postfix-users wrote in
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 |On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 8:12 PM Steffen Nurpmeso via Postfix-users
 |<postfix-users@postfix.org> wrote:
 ...
 |> Btw i would wonder: why do -- as email operators -- still use DKIM
 |> at all, since there is ARC and it also offers signatures and
 |> verification?  The OpenSSL (-users) ML uses it, and it only.
 ...
 |Because Google / Gmail / Google Workspace will put out DKIM
 |requirements for every email from bulk senders from Feb 1st - not ARC
 |requirements. From what I understand, DMARC alignment only happens on
 |SPF and DKIM alignment, not on ARC alignment - and because of that,
 |DKIM is relevant for us.

I did not know that.  I had the impression Google pushes ARC.  But
i never find anything in their help (and stopped pressing buttons
for "was this page helpful"), nor have i ever heard such.
I myself have deepest respect for the engineering of SPF (the RFC
that is), but do not understand it regarding email flow, you have
to run postsrsd to make this work if you have redirecting aliases,
and in the end i myself do not care at all how the mail is hopping
if only it is delivered to the right place.  Especially so if the
email is DKIM signed and/or S/MIME aka PGP signed/encrypted.
And DMARC i truly hate.  :)
Well i keep on hoping that DKIM is fixed to work also for MLs
without robot trouble (user interfaces are the other thing), it
would be all i need.

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,                The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter           he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
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