powermail-discuss Digest #2855 - Wednesday, July 9, 2008
Re: Show Hide PM
by "Damienn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "Michael J. Hußmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(2): Gmail
by "Winston Weinmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "PowerMail Engineering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re(3): Gmail
by "Peter Lovell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gmail
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "PowerMail Engineering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "C. A. Niemiec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Show Hide PM
by "C. A. Niemiec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "Damienn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:09:31 +0200
From MB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-07-07 20.18 (+0200 GMT)
>Please chime in you others that have had the same
>problem, with your observations.
Until now I didn't want to say anything, 'cause just because I don't
have this problem doesn't make it less of a problem for others.
Nevertheless I might contribute with some of my observations.
To begin with: my system is specified in my sig.
Either I disable or enable HTML-viewing I can hide PowerMail containing
HTML-messages, so whatever I tried, hitting Command-H always hides PM
for me. Like I said, I know this will not help anybody with their hiding
PM, but the next paragraph might give some ideas which could be helpful:
The other day, after my Mac was doing a helluva lot of all kind of
things and was turned on for some time I tried to hide Camino (the web
browser I use) but lo and behold it refused to do that. I cannot recall
it ever doing this, so I tried to hide my other open applications
(PowerMail, Smultron, iTunes, GraphicConverter and a cuple of others)
but I could hide all of them (including PowerMail).
Here comes the suggestion/idea-generating part - I fired up Onyx and did
a maintenance work with that and after that Camino continued behaving as
nicely as I'm used to with it.
So maybe - just maybe - there could be time for some cleaning-work to
see what happens with PowerMail after that. After all there are so many
things interacting with each other in a computer system, that a problem
might just as well be caused by something else than the ill-behaving
application itself. It's like giving cough syrup to someone who is
suddenly starts coughing because of the smoke he is breathing. A better
choice would be to eliminate the smoke, right?
Said that I don't want to insinuate that PowerMail is healthy. What do I
know? However it is for me and it is for others, so there is a good
reason to look for elsewhere, before taking it apart.
I really don't want to make anybody angry with all this. I hope this
problem will find its solution for everybody concerned.
Best wishes,
Damienn
_______________________________________________________________________
2 GHz Intel Core Duo iMac / OS X Leopard 10.5.4 / PowerMail 5.6.5
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "Michael J. Hußmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:38:15 +0200
Michael Lewis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I have the hiding issue and have HTML viewing turned off. I have chosen
> to use the button at the bottom of the message to tun on the HTML or
> view in a browser. Would webkit still be the causing the hiding issue
> even when HTML viewing is off? I am using PowerMail 5.6.3 in Mac OS X
10.4.11.
I think I've got a problem hiding PM once or twice, but that was months
ago and hasn't happened ever since. It was probably just the command-H
bug that got fixed in 5.6.3. I cannot reproduce the problem under
10.4.11 now (or under 10.5, for that matter), even when some HTML mail
is displayed. PM hides and shows just fine.
- Michael
Michael J. Hußmann
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW (personal): http://michael-hussmann.de
WWW (professional): http://digicam-experts.de
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Subject: Re(2): Gmail
From: "Winston Weinmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:03:15 -0400
My Gmail works for sending mail, but not for POP receiving. I have
toggled POP on and off in my Gmail settings, and even tried setting up
another PowerMail account. Nor can I get IMAP to work. I am using the
same settings Angelica listed.
Any suggestions on how to get Gmail working with PowerMail?
Also: whenever I check email PowerMail says "Checking 2 accounts" even
though PM is checking more than two accounts. Why?
Thanks.
- Winston
Angelica Johnson wrote:
>
>I have mine set up.
>
>Receiving:
>POP3
>User ID: full email address with @gmail.com
>Incoming: pop.gmail.com
>Advanced: check SSL, use port 995 and click on dedicated secure port
>
>Sending:
>SMTP: smtp.gmail.com
>Authenticate: full email address again
>Advanced: check SSL, use port 587 and click on Using the STARTTLS command
>
>
>Angelica
>
>
>
>>Has anyone set Powermail up to handle Gmail? I've used most of the
>>possible configurations listed on the Gmail page, but none of them work
>>(they're all about the same anyway). Any success stories out there?
>>
>>John
>>Long Beach, CA
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:37:18 +0900
Am/On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:09:31 +0200 schrieb/wrote Damienn:
>Here comes the suggestion/idea-generating part - I fired up Onyx and did
>a maintenance work with that and after that Camino continued behaving as
>nicely as I'm used to with it.
This sounds like an interesting observation.
Not sure if it's connected, Camino uses the Cocoa API.
What exactly did Onyx do for you to fix the problem with Camino.
btw, I actually stopped using Camino, as I found it way too buggy, but
that's a different story.
I daily run SuperDuper! to do backup, which runs a script before, but
that does nothing else then quitting some apps, like pm and repairing
permissions.
Thanks and all the best
Matthias
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "PowerMail Engineering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:11:45 +0200
We have currently not found a 100% reproducible case of this problem.
Additionally, we have seen this problem in other applications; it is not
PowerMail specific.
If you have a specific HTML message that cause this problem, please send
me it's raw source (from Mail.app or a webmail access) as an attached
file, so I can see if a workaround can be found, and send a report to Apple.
Jérôme - CTM Engineering
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:26:17 +0200
C. A. Niemiec said:
>This doesn't bork it for you?
Nope. It hides under all circumstances you described and also at all
other times.
It's possible some settings have to be similar as well. I have the HTML-
interpreter activated, also when there's pure text. I huse the Gills
Sans font. I display attachments in preview. Indexing in background. I
use SpamSieve.
I have used the swedish language during tests, will try with english as well.
One other app that sometimes, actually quite seldom, eludes the hiding
command is Azureus. Which is a Java application. Which is why I ruled
out Carbon apps to be the sole cause of this problem some time back as
you may remember.
Do you have developer tools installed? Some tools there could perhaps
give us more info on what is really going on in PowerMail or the OS when
this hiding problem occurs. I only develop in Java though, so haven't
used any of those before. Some advice from CTM or someone else doing OS
X development here would be helpful.
>Start PowerMail.
>Select a message with "Content-Type: text/html" (in a view with a
>preview pane).
>Command-H > PowerMail refuses to hide its main windows.
>No messages to the Console.
>
>Quit and restart PowerMail.
>Command-N make a new message.
>Close it (don't have to type anything or save).
>Select a message with "Content-Type: text/html" (in a view with a
>preview pane).
>Command-H > PowerMail hides like it should.
>No messages here either.
>
>>I wish I could help out more, but as I don't know a way to reproduce it
>>on my system, I can only speculate.
>
>Restart PowerMail and preview only messages that don't have an HTML part.
>Hiding should be fine.
>Select one message with an HTML part.
>Hiding should now be borked.
>
>
>Chris
>--
>
>
>
Mikael
Technoids:
PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 11:47:51 +0100
PowerMail Engineering (9/7/08, 11:11) said:
>We have currently not found a 100% reproducible case of this problem.
These are the steps for me:
1. View an HTML message (with HTML viewing turned off)
2. Command-H
3. >> PowerMail is moved back in the window list, but doesn't get hidden
4. Switch back using Command-Tab
5. >> PowerMail comes to the front, but its window remains behind other
windows
6. Click on the Dock icon
7. >> PowerMail's window comes to the front
I've also seen a different situation where Command-H does nothing, but I
think the causes are different.
>If you have a specific HTML message that cause this problem, please send
>me it's raw source (from Mail.app or a webmail access) as an attached
>file, so I can see if a workaround can be found, and send a report to Apple.
I don't think it happens with every HTML message. However, I do have one
that it happens with regularly, so will try to send it - but it's a bit
of a hassle because I don't normally use Apple Mail (although I might
have to switch if the 2GB limit doesn't get fixed).
We really need a way to view and forward raw source from PowerMail!
Jeremy
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "MB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:14:16 +0200
Jeremy Hughes said:
>We really need a way to view and forward raw source from PowerMail!
What about the "Show Source in Textedit" script?:
***Begin script***
tell application "PowerMail"
set theMessages to current messages
repeat with msg in theMessages
set s to source of msg
tell application "TextEdit"
make new document at the beginning of documents with
properties {text:s}
end tell
end repeat
tell application "TextEdit" --this tell block may be removed
activate
end tell
end tell
***End script***
Mikael
Technoids:
PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
Mikael
Technoids:
PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:50:19 +0100
MB (9/7/08, 12:14) said:
>>We really need a way to view and forward raw source from PowerMail!
>
>What about the "Show Source in Textedit" script?:
That worked, thanks - but don't you think it should be a built-in
command, or at least a standard script?
Jeremy
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Subject: Re(3): Gmail
From: "Peter Lovell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:09:33 -0400
With regard to receiving POP from gmail ...
my settings have just the account ID in the "User account ID" field.
There's no "@gmail.com" in the field. The other settings (in "Advanced"
match those described by Angelica. It all works fine for me this way.
Regards.....Peter
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008, Winston Weinmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>My Gmail works for sending mail, but not for POP receiving. I have
>toggled POP on and off in my Gmail settings, and even tried setting up
>another PowerMail account. Nor can I get IMAP to work. I am using the
>same settings Angelica listed.
>
>Any suggestions on how to get Gmail working with PowerMail?
>
>Also: whenever I check email PowerMail says "Checking 2 accounts" even
>though PM is checking more than two accounts. Why?
>
>Thanks.
>
>- Winston
>
>
>Angelica Johnson wrote:
>>
>>I have mine set up.
>>
>>Receiving:
>>POP3
>>User ID: full email address with @gmail.com
>>Incoming: pop.gmail.com
>>Advanced: check SSL, use port 995 and click on dedicated secure port
>>
>>Sending:
>>SMTP: smtp.gmail.com
>>Authenticate: full email address again
>>Advanced: check SSL, use port 587 and click on Using the STARTTLS command
>>
>>
>>Angelica
>>
>>
>>
>>>Has anyone set Powermail up to handle Gmail? I've used most of the
>>>possible configurations listed on the Gmail page, but none of them work
>>>(they're all about the same anyway). Any success stories out there?
>>>
>>>John
>>>Long Beach, CA
>
>
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Subject: Re: Gmail
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:10:37 +0900
Winston,
my guess is that either the port 587 is blocked or you entered something
incorrectly.
This setup from Angelica:
>>Receiving:
>>POP3
>>User ID: full email address with @gmail.com
>>Incoming: pop.gmail.com
>>Advanced: check SSL, use port 995 and click on dedicated secure port
>>
>>Sending:
>>SMTP: smtp.gmail.com
>>Authenticate: full email address again
>>Advanced: check SSL, use port 587 and click on Using the STARTTLS command
works as long as you have POP enabled in your gmail account.
I never tried IMAP.
all the best
Matthias
Am/On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:03:15 -0400 schrieb/wrote Winston Weinmann:
>My Gmail works for sending mail, but not for POP receiving. I have
>toggled POP on and off in my Gmail settings, and even tried setting up
>another PowerMail account. Nor can I get IMAP to work. I am using the
>same settings Angelica listed.
>
>Any suggestions on how to get Gmail working with PowerMail?
>
>Also: whenever I check email PowerMail says "Checking 2 accounts" even
>though PM is checking more than two accounts. Why?
>
>Thanks.
>
>- Winston
>
>
>Angelica Johnson wrote:
>>
>>I have mine set up.
>>
>>Receiving:
>>POP3
>>User ID: full email address with @gmail.com
>>Incoming: pop.gmail.com
>>Advanced: check SSL, use port 995 and click on dedicated secure port
>>
>>Sending:
>>SMTP: smtp.gmail.com
>>Authenticate: full email address again
>>Advanced: check SSL, use port 587 and click on Using the STARTTLS command
>>
>>
>>Angelica
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "PowerMail Engineering" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:25:03 +0200
MB wrote:
>>We really need a way to view and forward raw source from PowerMail!
>What about the "Show Source in Textedit" script?:
PowerMail does not store the messages in raw source form. This
Applescript command regenerates a message in the RFC 822 form, but it
will not be strictly identical to the original message, especially if
the original message was HTML.
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:24:05 +0900
Great Thanks :-)
Am/On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:14:16 +0200 schrieb/wrote MB:
>Jeremy Hughes said:
>
>>We really need a way to view and forward raw source from PowerMail!
>What about the "Show Source in Textedit" script?:
>
>***Begin script***
>tell application "PowerMail"
> set theMessages to current messages
> repeat with msg in theMessages
> set s to source of msg
> tell application "TextEdit"
> make new document at the beginning of documents with
> properties {text:s}
> end tell
> end repeat
> tell application "TextEdit" --this tell block may be removed
> activate
> end tell
>end tell
>
>***End script***
>
>
>Mikael
>
>Technoids:
>PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
>G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
>
>
>
>
>Mikael
>
>Technoids:
>PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook
>G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
>
>
>
Thanks and all the best
Matthias
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:36:27 +0100
PowerMail Engineering (9/7/08, 13:25) said:
>>>We really need a way to view and forward raw source from PowerMail!
>>What about the "Show Source in Textedit" script?:
>
>PowerMail does not store the messages in raw source form. This
>Applescript command regenerates a message in the RFC 822 form, but it
>will not be strictly identical to the original message, especially if
>the original message was HTML.
I did a file compare on the two raw versions, and there were a couple of
minor differences (one had 7-bit encoding and the other had 8-bit encoding).
I've sent Jerome the AppleMail version.
Jeremy
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "Matthias Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:35:23 +0900
Jérôme,
Am/On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:25:03 +0200 schrieb/wrote PowerMail Engineering:
>MB wrote:
>
>>>We really need a way to view and forward raw source from PowerMail!
>>What about the "Show Source in Textedit" script?:
>
>PowerMail does not store the messages in raw source form. This
>Applescript command regenerates a message in the RFC 822 form, but it
>will not be strictly identical to the original message, especially if
>the original message was HTML.
now I remember, you pointed that out some time before already.
then consider it a feature request ;-)
Thanks and all the best
Matthias
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "C. A. Niemiec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:00:44 -0400
>If you have a specific HTML message that cause this problem, please send
>me it's raw source (from Mail.app or a webmail access) as an attached
>file, so I can see if a workaround can be found, and send a report to Apple.
Sign up for a Yahoo! Group in HTML digest format and you'll get one
every day. :)
but... I find _all_ my HTML messages will trigger this.
for PM 5.6.5 in OS X 10.4.11 on both Intel and PPC.
Chris
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Subject: Re: Show Hide PM
From: "C. A. Niemiec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:01:18 -0400
>It's possible some settings have to be similar as well. I have the HTML-
>interpreter activated, also when there's pure text. I huse the Gills
>Sans font. I display attachments in preview. Indexing in background. I
>use SpamSieve.
>
>I have used the swedish language during tests, will try with english as well.
ah, a needle in a haystack... :(
I would never think of changing the font from my Univers Condensed/
Andale Mono combo.
>Do you have developer tools installed? Some tools there could perhaps
>give us more info on what is really going on in PowerMail or the OS when
>this hiding problem occurs.
Not currently, but I suppose I could if I knew what to look for.
Even though the HTML reader is off, there is always a slight pause in
the preview part of the display when I move to an HTML message in the
list (ala Recent Mail Window).
Chris
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