powermail-discuss Digest #3038 - Thursday, July 11, 2013
More pre-purchase questions... :-)
by "mt" <[email protected]>
Re: More pre-purchase questions... :-)
by "Jeremy Hughes" <[email protected]>
Re: More pre-purchase questions... :-)
by "Rene Merz" <[email protected]>
Re: More pre-purchase questions... :-)
by "Jeremy Hughes" <[email protected]>
Re: More pre-purchase questions... :-)
by "mt" <[email protected]>
Re(2): More pre-purchase questions... :-)
by "Tom Bulat" <[email protected]>
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Subject: More pre-purchase questions... :-)
From: "mt" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:54:52 +1000
Hello again,
After some more testing and reading of the Manual, there's a few more handy
features I had gotten used to with Eudora, which I don't seem able to find in
PowerMail. For instance,
1. How can I "Re-send" or "Send again" a message, in such a way that its
Subject can be edited? (Any of you being familiar with messages held in a
moderation queue by Mailman would recognise a typical scenario where this is
required)
2. In the Mail Filters window, is there a way to specify "contains word" as a
condition? In other words, given that the drop down menu does not include this
option, are there any special delimiters I can use to specify a "word-type"
string?
3. Can the database be any size, or does it have to be under 2 GB?
4. [also submitted as a "bug report" through ctmdev.com's Website]
While browsing the available menus, I came across the [scripts] --> Script
starting points --> Go to PowerMail's AppleScript Archive.scpt item and found
that it points to a URL (http://www.ctmdev.com/tools) which brings up a 404 Not
Found error page.
Where can I find scripting examples for PowerMail 6?
Thanks in advance :-)
marina
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MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, OS X 10.6.8
@martadiello
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Subject: Re: More pre-purchase questions... :-)
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:53:21 +0100
mt (11/7/13, 13:54) said:
>1. How can I "Re-send" or "Send again" a message, in such a way that its
>Subject can be edited? (Any of you being familiar with messages held in
>a moderation queue by Mailman would recognise a typical scenario where
>this is required)
Display the message and edit the subject. PowerMail will ask if you want to
duplicate the message.
>2. In the Mail Filters window, is there a way to specify "contains word"
>as a condition? In other words, given that the drop down menu does not
>include this option, are there any special delimiters I can use to
>specify a "word-type" string?
Select "Body" and choose "Includes one of the words" or "includes at least one
of the words" or "includes the exact phrase"
>3. Can the database be any size, or does it have to be under 2 GB?
It has to be under 2 GB unfortunately. When you get near to that limit,
PowerMail will warn you and you can choose "Compact Database" from the File
menu. This will shrink the database to a more compact format, but you will have
to keep choosing this option on a regular basis. If you ignore PowerMail's
warning, you could end up corrupting your database and losing your mail.
Eventually you will have to delete some emails to avoid going over the limit. I
tend to free up space periodically by exporting email-list emails into Apple
Mail.
I have 250,000 emails in PowerMail, dating back over 10 years. If you have
fewer emails than this, the 2 GB limit might be less of an issue. Attachments
don't count towards the limit.
The monolithic database format is bad for backup programs. Either the entire
database will be backed up every time (which wastes space) or the backup
program (e.g. Time Machine) will have to compare it with previous backups in
order to save changes (which slows down the backup process).
What I personally wish is that PowerMail would save separate mail folders into
separate databases. But I don't think CTM has any interest in doing this. My
impression is that PowerMail is in maintenance mode - it gets bug fixes and
occasional minor features, but it's not going to gain any major features in
future.
I use Apple Mail on my home machine, and I would be fairly happy with that if
it was less buggy (sometimes it loses emails that it has sent or fails to
delete auto-saved drafts). PowerMail has faster searching and better filtering.
Apple Mail has smart folders, better support for HTML emails, inline display of
image attachments, and threading.
Jeremy
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Subject: Re: More pre-purchase questions... :-)
From: "Rene Merz" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 16:33:38 +0200
Jeremy Hughes hat geschrieben:
[...]
>I have 250,000 emails in PowerMail, dating back over 10 years. If you
>have fewer emails than this, the 2 GB limit might be less of an issue.
>Attachments don't count towards the limit.
>
>The monolithic database format is bad for backup programs. Either the
>entire database will be backed up every time (which wastes space) or the
>backup program (e.g. Time Machine) will have to compare it with previous
>backups in order to save changes (which slows down the backup process).
>
>What I personally wish is that PowerMail would save separate mail
>folders into separate databases. But I don't think CTM has any interest
>in doing this. My impression is that PowerMail is in maintenance mode -
>it gets bug fixes and occasional minor features, but it's not going to
>gain any major features in future.
What about:
"Exporting the mail database: Select the messages or the folder(s) you want to
export (if you want to export a subset of your database), then select the
"Export" item from the File / Database submenu. We recommend exporting your
mail as set of Netscape / Mozilla, or Unix mailbox files since these are the
most commonly used formats for interchange, and to check the "include
attachments" checbox if you want to also export the files that were attached to
sent and received messages."
(Manual > Exporting: <http://www.ctmdev.com/powermail/manual/exporting.html>)
How to do:
Menu "Repository"(? in German: "Ablage", the second menu item) > Database >
Export
Organize the Export Assistent, either for the whole database or a chosen
PM-folder only.
Next step: Choose the export format.
Next step: Choose the place on your harddisk and save.
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Subject: Re: More pre-purchase questions... :-)
From: "Jeremy Hughes" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 16:15:05 +0100
Rene Merz (11/7/13, 15:33) said:
>What about:
>
>"Exporting the mail database: Select the messages or the folder(s) you
>want to export (if you want to export a subset of your database), then
>select the "Export" item from the File / Database submenu. We recommend
>exporting your mail as set of Netscape / Mozilla, or Unix mailbox files
>since these are the most commonly used formats for interchange, and to
>check the "include attachments" checbox if you want to also export the
>files that were attached to sent and received messages."
That's what I do already, as I said in my previous email:
Jeremy Hughes (11/7/13, 14:53) said:
>I tend to free up space periodically by exporting email-list emails into
>Apple Mail.
But if PowerMail didn't use a single monolithic database with a 2 GB limit, I
wouldn't have to do this.
There is another option, which I've never found very useful. You can have
separate databases and switch between them using "Switch User Environment"
(from the Database submenu in the File menu). You can create a new database
whenever your existing database gets too large, but that means you'll have to
switch between databases whenever you want to search through your emails, and
that's a fairly cumbersome process - you have to select the new database via a
file dialog.
Jeremy
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Subject: Re: More pre-purchase questions... :-)
From: "mt" <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:18:03 +1000
Thank you Jeremy!
I've been finding there's a number of unusual/unexpected behaviours in
PowerMail, as compared to other email clients - I'm thinking Eudora, Mailsmith,
Apple Mail, Outlook (these last two being those I am the least familiar with).
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:53:21 +0100, [email protected] scripsit:
>mt (11/7/13, 13:54) said:
>
>>1. How can I "Re-send" or "Send again" a message, [...]
>
>Display the message and edit the subject. PowerMail will ask if you want
>to duplicate the message.
>
OK, got it - I would never have thought of doing it that way!
>>2. In the Mail Filters window, is there a way to specify "contains word"
>>as a condition? In other words, given that the drop down menu does not
>>include this option, are there any special delimiters I can use to
>>specify a "word-type" string?
>
>Select "Body" and choose "Includes one of the words" or "includes at
>least one of the words" or "includes the exact phrase"
>
Thanks, I see this works for the headers as well, which is what I want.
>>3. Can the database be any size, or does it have to be under 2 GB?
>
>It has to be under 2 GB unfortunately. [...]
Yes, this is unfortunate. Maybe I will never get to 2 GB, but the whole reason
for keeping a mail store (at least for me) is to be able to retrieve any
message at any given time, from within the email client itself. And as I get
older, my mail store is likely to get bigger... and I'd like my email client to
be able to keep up with it :-)
>
>What I personally wish is that PowerMail would save separate mail
>folders into separate databases. But I don't think CTM has any interest
>in doing this. My impression is that PowerMail is in maintenance mode -
>it gets bug fixes and occasional minor features, but it's not going to
>gain any major features in future.
>
Thank you for your insight. I have been wondering myself, and although folders
can easily be exported individually, as Rene explained, I wouldn't want to pay
for a soon-to-be-discontinued piece of software.
So if that's the case, I'm afraid PowerMail is not an option for me.
>I use Apple Mail on my home machine, and I would be fairly happy with
>that if it was less buggy (sometimes it loses emails that it has sent or
>fails to delete auto-saved drafts). PowerMail has faster searching and
>better filtering. Apple Mail has smart folders, better support for HTML
>emails, inline display of image attachments, and threading.
>
Maybe I should re-consider Apple Mail then.
Thanks again Jeremy,
marina
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Subject: Re(2): More pre-purchase questions... :-)
From: "Tom Bulat" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 13:00:10 -0400
>There is another option, which I've never found very useful. You can
>have separate databases and switch between them using "Switch User
>Environment" (from the Database submenu in the File menu). You can
>create a new database whenever your existing database gets too large,
>but that means you'll have to switch between databases whenever you want
>to search through your emails, and that's a fairly cumbersome process -
>you have to select the new database via a file dialog.
Hi Jeremy,
I use the technique of switching databases, and the good news is that you can
find messages via spotlight just fine.
The bad news is that if you double click them, PowerMail opens them in the old
database.
If the developers are listening I would want to see:
The name of the current open database somewhere in plain view at all times
The institution of a recent database menu item that would allow you to quickly
select databases without having to navigate the file system.
Please add such features to the next release ASAP.
Thanks, and so long for now, TOM
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