My Dear Tante Mala,
Well, talking about Kartono and Kartini in India, i'd be in a position of MG's side. Coz when u said that the Kartini in India is outnumbered by the Kartonos, im very much in perplexed with this statement. As such, MG's opinion is very much relevant with my difficulty in understanding ur statement. Quantity wise, yes, u r rite that the Kartonos are the dominant group in India but in quality, both are, i can say, almost equal. MG has given some examples in regard with this situation. So actually now im starting to question ur statement. Cud u be more elaborate in defining ur statement? Else it will b a bit difficult for me or others to get some grounds in building up arguments. Or will it remain to be an unanswered question about y the Kartinis in general are 'the second gender' in the society? If this is the question of y the Kartinis are outnumbered then yes, to quote MG's statement, that the key to success is that " kartini secara umum kurang punya nyali--syarat terpenting untuk maju dan berkembang " If this is really the key, so y should wait to bulid it up? Regards, Qisa'i Dept. Political Science, AMU, Aligarh (UP) India --- In [email protected], Mario Gagho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mala, > > i dont really get it what u mean by "outnumber" when > you say "really wonder why in India, our kartonos > out-number kartinis drastically" outnumber in quality > or quantity? > > dg asumsi yg dimaksud adalah dlm segi kualitas, maka > pertanyaan berikutnya adalah: kualitas apa? > > kualitas seorang akademisi bisa ditengarai dari dua > hal: (1) kualitas rapor atau prosentase nilai (third, > second, first or distinction, etc); (2) kualitas diri > sebagai intelektual yg bermakna seberapa daya serap si > mahasiswa dalam menangkap berbagai fenomena yg > berkembang dan mengaktualisasikannya dlm berbagai > kegiatan yg mengarah pada kepedulian sosial i.e. (a) > pemberian training/pelatihan, dll; (b) kegiatan > interaktif antar-disiplin ilmu; (c) kegiatan > interaktif antar-generasi (tua-muda); (d) aktualiasi > aspirasi dlm bentuk penulisan (di milis, di media, > seminar, dll). > > > singkatnya, selagi kondisi ini tidak berubah kartono > still gonna outsmart kartini for many years, decades > or even centuries to come! > > kuncinya, kartini secara umum kurang punya > nyali--syarat terpenting untuk maju dan berkembang. > tentu saja dg pengecualian Mala dan Bu Niek :) > > what d' u think guys? > > salam, > > --- Nirmala Many <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Kartini Day > > > despite the fact that most of > > our > > kartinis are brilliant and outstanding students, > > name > > it Ayu, Dewi, Heni, Retno etc. Why, why and why? I > > would like to know kartonos point of view, may be > > MG, > > Qisai, Izam, Rizqon, Ulis, my dear friend Rizki and > > others. > > > > Nidya, i miss u dear, study hard and hope to see u > > soon. > > > > Cheers, > > Mala > > > > PS: > > Mind it i call u guys kartonos > > > > > > Mario Gagho > Agra University > www.ppi-india.org > --------- > A WINNER works harder than a loser and has more time. > A LOSER is always "too busy" to do what is necessary. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Give underprivileged students the materials they need to learn. Bring education to life by funding a specific classroom project. http://us.click.yahoo.com/LZzaMD/_WnJAA/HwKMAA/igXolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> _________________________________________________________________________ Mhs/Masy. indoindia diharapkan untuk selalu melihat diskusi harian di http://www.ppi-india.da.ru dan situs resmi PPI http://www.ppi-india.org ========================================================================== Catatan penting: 1- Harap tdk. memposting berita, kecuali yg berkenaan dg masyarakat/mahasiswa/alumni India 2- Arsip milis: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ppi-india ; 3- HP Ketua PPI (Jusman): 09810646659 ; Sekjen PPI(Mukhlis): 09897407326 4- KBRI Delhi(11)26110693;26118642; 26118647 5- KJRI Mumbai (022)3868678;3800940;3891255 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ppi-india/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
