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Special Services fight in the name of Allah and Putin
03/26/2004 13:59
The following is an interview with Kakiev Said-Magomed Shamaev, commander of the
"Western" battalion of the mountainous force of the United Forces in the Chechen
republic, Major of the Russian Army. He was born on 22 February, 1970; completed 8
grades in Grozny; 1989-1991-served in Nagorny Karabakh. Afterwards, he studied at the
University of Alma-Ata. From 1994 till 1994 served in an anti-Dudaev opposition. He is
a four-time-hero of the Russian Federation. He was awarded with two medals for
courage; received two inscribed guns from the Minister of Defense.
Question: Said-Magomed, how long has your resistance against Chechen extremists been
lasting?
Said-Magomed Kakiev: After serving in the Sovier Army in Nagorny Karabakh in 1991, I
returned home, to the epicenter of events. I thought I would never come close to
weapons ever again. I was wrong. Dudaev appeared in Chechnya stirring up major chaos,
organized several criminal gangs in the region and I did not have any other choice but
to fight with Dudaev"s bandits. That"s how I joined the opposition.
In 1993, we failed to assassinate Dudaev.when my hand grenade suddenly exploded in my
hands. I lost an arm, one eye, my nose and got four cracks in my skull. My friend died
right on the spot. Many assumed that I would never fight again; I was an invalid after
all. However, thanks to the Almighty, I was able to recover, even though my appearance
was totally changed. Doctors "mended" my entire body in a beauty salon in Moscow. I
acquired a new face. No one could recognize me. I told myself, "I still have one hand;
I still have a soul which is fully devoted to Russia." To me, Russia and Chechnya
represent one entity. Personally, I was fighting for this unity; I will continue to
fight for this unity till the end!
Question: You participated in the first Chechen campaign, including the bloody battle
in Grozny.
Kakiev: I entered the city with my squad. Back then we were apart of neither the
Ministry of Internal Affairs nor the Ministry of Defense. We were motivated by one
thing only-patriotism, love for our country and a strong will to put an end to Dudaev
and his gangs. We were moving side by side with the Moscow"s riot squad and with
special service forces. We were asked to help, since we knew the area pretty well,
knew the language and could communicate with the locals.
We engaged in a bloody battle on the territory of "Eletropribor" factory in one of the
regions of Grozny. We were even involved in ruthless bloody fistfights. Luckily, the
riot squad and the special forces were by our side. One can hardly forget the events
of those few days. We lost 7 of our guys. But we managed to destroy 29 gang members.
The enemy had to retreat. Those were the people of commander Bazhiev. He is dead, now
he is judged by the Almighty Allah.
Question: Why weren't armored forces used to the fullest extent in this invasion of
Grozny?
Kakiev: This was an incredibly ruthless war. I felt terrible for those young boys.
Many things were unclear.we tried to warn our allies, but no one listened to us. Order
is an order, period! They assumed it was easy to conquer.do you know how many people
we lost?
Question: There still remain some questions concerning the events of August 1996. Did
you witness those events?
Kakiev: On August 6th, I was patrolling Dagestanskaya Street. A house of the city's
mayor Yakub Deniev was located on that street. His family belongs to the real saints.
We were attacked by everyone, from every side. There was only 50 of us. We were
guarding the house. We were running out of weapons. 37 women and children were hiding
in the basement there. Later, negotiations began and the "spirits" swore on Koran that
they"ll let everyone go: all kids and women. I did not believe them from the start. We
had a choice of either staying in the region and trusting those promises of the gang
members or continue fighting. Everyone stayed. I left the place on my own. it took me
seven days to leave Grozny.
The "spirits" in turn shot everyone to death in the house, including 30 of our troops.
They later burned and immured them in the basement. It was only after two years that
their bodies were recovered and sent to the Rostov"s laboratory. When the cort?ge with
the bodies was traveling from Rostov to Chechnya, every singly militant's post was
saluting them. As soon as they crossed the Chechen border, those Dudaev"s soldiers
started yelling "Look at these traitors!" "Bury them in Russia!". We will never forget
this! We are perfectly aware of the names of those beasts who committed such terrible
crimes. They are Doku Umarov, Ruslan Gelaev and others.
Question: In 1996 you had to leave Chechnya, what happened then?
Kakiev: I was called an outlaw by Maskhadov. He promised a title of "Hero of Ichkeria"
to the one who kills me. I could not get home for three years; haven"t seen my
relatives. I"ve been living in Moscow for all these years. Since 1999, with the help
of Allah and Putin, I managed to return to the republic. I was appointed assistant of
the head of Nadterechni region, built two camps for refugees with heating and water.
Then I signed a contract with the Ministry of Defense and left to fight.
Question: Many things have changed in Chechnya since those times. You are currently a
chief of the Chechen special military unit.
Kaiev: True, the situation is different now. I am immensely proud that I am an officer
of the Russian Army and a commander of the "Western" battalion. We cover the
mountainous area of the republic. There is still much to be done there.
Question: Tell us about your medal "the hero of Russia"
Kakiev: I was awarded the title four times. The first time, I was awarded for storming
Grozny and for raising Russian flag there; the second time-for the Komsomolskaya
village, in an attempt to get Gelaev; afterwards-for a series of operations; finally,
the fourth medal I received for an unsuccessful operation to neutralize Basaev"s
"general".
Question: Official sources claim that Chechen militants disarm daily. Many are
undergoing amnesty. How do you feel about it?
Kakiev: This is a normal process, especially taking into account the fact that
majority of gang members have been defeated. Amnesty however, raises a lot of
questions. How can one forgive those who were fighting against us? People say
different things: that they are innocent, that they have not killed any religious
leaders and so on. What did they do to 18-year-old boys, I wonder? That is why I do
not understand such amnesty. True, we should forgive those who were forced to join the
gangs against their will. But amnesty is a time-bomb. People have been fighting
against a particular country, so many soldiers have died, and in the end no one is
being held responsible? I will never submit to this. We are all mortals. How are we
going to look in the eyes of those 18-year-olds up there?
Blood should not be forgiven. One has to be responsible for murder. Those bandits lost
their dignity. They are not people. Muslims cannot do such things.
It turns out that all terrorist acts are committed by Basaev alone. No one else is
responsible.
Yes, war kills people, but to torture dead bodies, that's obsecene.
We managed to achieve so much with the help of Allah; we will be able to do much more
to cleanse the land of such monsters.
German Pronin
Source: Utro.Ru
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