kalau yang pernah saya dengar, dulu ulama al azhar mengharamkan bom bunuh diri karena itu tindakan orang putus asa, tapi melihat perkembangan keadaan di situ, akhirnya membolehkan, tentunya dengan sasaran militer (CMIIW)
dan kayaknya soal itu tidak pernah ada kata temu, akan terus jadi perdebatan sampai akhir jaman :-) pernah baca juga seorang ulama arab (forgot his name), bilang semua penduduk israel dewasa adalah para militer (mereka punya wajib militer, laki perempuan), tinggal dikasih senjata, atau dalam keadaan darurat akan dengan cepat beralih dari sipil menjadi militer. israel-palestina itu adalah takdir...hehehe yang akan selalu memanaskan dunia, dari dulu sampai nanti. seperti misteri, kenapa sebagian besar cadangan minyak dunia ditarok di negara-negara muslim, sebagian terbesar di teluk (kuwait, saudi, iran) yang lain di asia tengah, xinjiang (china), nigeria, chad, sudan, libya, aljazair (afrika), indonesia-brunai-m'sia (asteng) sedangkan kita tahu minyak itu panas..minyak lah yang menyebabkan (analisis), USA dan eropa menanm israel, US menyerang irak, afganistan, sudan dsb. minyak selain kemakmuran juga sumber petaka sebelum ditemukan minyak nigeria perkapita pernah 4000 dolar, setelah ketemu minyak, pada rebutan dan perang, pendapatan perkapita anjlok sampai USD2000 dan makin anjlok. aceh-irja membara juga salah satunya setelah ditemukan minyak dan emas tentu saja sorry ...ne'... "tulisan melenceng jauh dari topik semula" On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, peace wrote: > Assalamu Alaikum Wr.Wb, > > Baru baru berita diturunkan bahwa Penyerangan pasukan Israel > dadakan ke kamp pengungsi Palestina karena Mossad telah mengetahui > upacara militer Para militan Palestina. Hal ini sering dialami > berkali kali pada waktu sebelumnya. > > Marilah kita jadikan contoh dalam pandangan kita terhadap upcara > militer sipil yang berteriak melawan Malaysia di negara tetangga. > (Contoh tapi ini tidak real). Ini telah diketahui oleh pasukan > Malaysia dan apa yang dilakukan produser militer Malaysia terhadap > sipil bersenjata militer. > > Kita perlu membayangkin akibat penyerangan pasukan Israel ke kamp > pengungsian adanya upacara parade militer militan Palestina. Tentu > saja dalam kondisi posisi Israel sangat melanggar HAM dan kedaulatan > Palestina. > > Untuk melindungi para pejuang dan masyarakat Palestina, tidak harus > perlu menyelenggarakan upacara parade militer, pelatihan terang > terangan, membawa senjata (padahal dapat dilihat dari UAV,kamera > infra <seperti misalnya gambaran ini http://www.imaging1.com/FLIR- > milcam-cooled.html>). > > Mendeteksi para pejuang Palestina bersenjata tidak sulit dengan > teknologi daripada melihat pandangan natural. Perhatikan > http://www.barracuda.se/node1358.asp?product={CF828E96-F074-11D3-8487- > 00508B6F1312} Ini diartikan bisa melihat keadaan situasi kota atau > sela sela gedung gedung di perbatasan Palestina dengan teknologi > pandangan canggih. > > Kembali pembicaraan berapa besar tewasnya para pejuang Palestina > sangat besar daripada kematian tentara Israel. Tetapi jangan > menggunakan bom bunuh diri untuk menyerang masyarakat Israel tidak > bersalah. > > Saya belum melihat hal yang membolehkan bom bunuh diri kecuali > terpojok dalam keadaan terdesak. Tetapi tidak menyebutkan membunuh > orang orang tidak bersalah. Kalau ada memiliki ayat Al quran, dimohon > memberi salinan. Menurutku yang dibolehkan adalah melawan orang orang > yang menzalim atau menyerang dengan bom dan pembalasan. Tetapi tidak > ada tertera mengharuskan membunuh masyarakat Israel yang tidak > berniat menganggu masyarakat Palestina. > > Ada tulisan ayat Al Baqarah, bila ada menyerang, harus dilawan > terkecuali tidak menyerang, tidak diperbolehkan dilawan. Dengan > sebenarnya masalah konflik Palestina-Israel benar benar mengarah > masalah pemerintahan Israel, Pemerintahan Palestina dan Hamas. Bukan > pada masyarakat Palestina/Israel. > > Saya tidak melarang keinginan para pejuang untuk membalas > serangan, tetapi kita maupun mereka perlu melihat efek efek telah > menuju kegagalan atau kemenangan setelah perlawanan. > > Sesungguhnya ada strategi baik untuk mengadakan kerja sama antar > negara Islam untuk menyelenggarakan pasukan polisi Islam/arab. Siapa > melarang fungsi pasukan "polisi" ke luar negeri?? nanti berlanjut ke > pembongkaran tembok tembok dan pergeseran tanah bekas jajahan. Selain > polisi, bagaimana kedaulatan Palestina bergabung dengan Jordain, > Suriah? > > Bagaimana keadaan Indonesia di DK PBB untuk mengemban amanah > masyarakat Islam? > > Kita rasanya perlu kembali memperhatikan kondisi Palestina dengan > menyelenggarakan kerja sama, dialog untuk membawa penyelesaian. Itu > perlu diusahakan lagi untuk mempertanyakan apa keinginan Palestina > dan Israel. Nanti dibenahi sehingga Palestina mendapat kembali tanah > jajahan. Tentu karena Pemerintahan Israel bertanya tentang bagaimana > ancaman yang mengarah Israel (menurut mereka). Kita perlu mengajak > penghentian bentrokan senjata antara dua pihak dengan menanyakan > pelanggaran masing masing dan mengajak mencari penyelesaian. Apa coba > kalau seandainya Pemerintahan Israel mau membantu mencari > penyelesaian? > > Jadi kita harus menguji dan hati hati dalam perkembangan situasi > politik dalam Konflik Palestina-Israel. Mengapa tidak kita belajar > mandiri untuk memantau perkembangan dan situasi politik agar > dilakukan usaha usaha sampai berhasil. Apakah kita mampu melakukan > selain hanya mengandalkan kekuatan perang? tentu saja kita atau > masyarakat Islam masih dapat melakukan hal itu. > > Sebenarnya kita mengajak masyarakat Islam perlu menggunakan metode > dalam ketabahan dan dialog supaya dapat memperlihatkan kemauan > mendukung penyelesaian konflik. Israel perlu memperhatikan hal ini. > Insyallah keberhasilan umat umat beriman akan terus berlanjut ke akar > penyelesaian. Konflik Palestina dapat dihentikan untuk selamanya dan > hak hak benar benar diperoleh kembali. > > Kita perlu usahakan demi menggembirakan jiwa masyarakat Palestina. > Kemenangan umat umat beriman yang merupakan hadiah yang sangat besar > dan mengharukan. Tentu Allah maupun kita lebih memikirkan kondisi dan > cara cara yang baik. > > Semoga bermanfaat, semoga Allah selalu melindungi akal dan > kemandirian dalam penyelesaian konflik yg menyenggsarakan masyarakat > beriman. > > In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful > Wassalam Alaikum Wr.Wb, > > > ----------------------------------- > Middle East - AP > 24 Dead in Gaza Strip Fighting > 2 hours, 33 minutes ago Middle East - AP > > By IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer > > JEBALIYA REFUGEE CAMP, Gaza Strip - Israeli troops pushed deep into > the largest Palestinian refugee camp Thursday, a first in four years > of fighting, after a Palestinian rocket killed two preschoolers in an > Israeli border town. > > Twenty-one Palestinians and three Israelis � including a woman > jogging in a Jewish settlement and two soldiers � were killed in the > fighting in the northern Gaza Strip (news - web sites). At least 108 > Palestinians, both civilians and militants, were wounded, the highest > single-day Palestinian casualty count in four months. > > Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz decided after consultations with > army commanders Thursday to widen the military campaign and send more > troops to Gaza, Israel Army Radio said. Mofaz's plan for an > unprecedented operation was to be presented to Prime Minister Ariel > Sharon (news - web sites) and his inner Cabinet later in the day for > approval. > > Previous Israeli military operations � including 12 major ones � have > not stopped the rockets. > > Defense Ministry officials were not available for comment. > > The heaviest fighting raged in the sprawling Jebaliya refugee camp, a > militant stronghold just north of Gaza City. In the deadliest > incident, an Israeli tank fired a shell toward a group of Palestinian > gunmen, killing at least seven people and wounding 20, many of them > critically, hospital doctors said. > > The army said soldiers fired the shell at five gunmen planting > explosives near the Jebaliya market. > > Bulldozers demolished 15 homes along a relatively narrow road leading > into the camp, witnesses said, apparently to widen it and allow more > tanks to get through. Armored vehicles avoided the booby-trapped main > street in the camp. > > "A bulldozer entered our living room and demolished half the house," > said Hussein al-Jamal, a resident of the camp's Block 2, adding that > he and his family fled, along with many of his neighbors. > > On Wednesday, Hamas militants fired a rocket at the Israeli border > town of Sderot despite the massive army presence, killing two > children, ages 2 and 4, as they played on a sidewalk at the start of > the Jewish holiday of Sukkot. > > Sharon wants to remove all settlers and soldiers from Gaza in 2005, > but continued rocket fire could turn public opinion against his plan. > His opponents argue that a withdrawal would only encourage > Palestinian militants to stage more attacks. > > Palestinian militants have intensified attacks in recent months in > hopes of portraying the Israeli withdrawal as a retreat under fire. > Israeli troops, in turn, have stepped up military operations to pound > militant groups before the pullout. > > In England, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw called on the > Israeli government Thursday to stop targeted killings of Palestinian > militants, and he insisted the Palestinian Authority (news - web > sites) must rein in terrorist groups. > > Straw told the governing Labour Party's annual conference there was > no "greater challenge to international order than the terrible > conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians." > > On Wednesday morning, dozens of Israeli armored vehicles took up > positions in northern Gaza, including the towns of Beit Hanoun and > Beit Lahiya and on the edge of Jebaliya, to prevent any rocket fire > during the weeklong Sukkot holiday. However, later in the day, Hamas > fired the deadly rocket at Sderot. > > Before dawn Thursday, two Hamas gunmen attacked an Israeli > observation post overlooking Jebaliya, killing an Israeli soldier > before being killed by return fire. > > Ten more Palestinians were killed by Israeli fire in Jebaliya, > including at least one Palestinian gunman and a 60-year-old civilian, > hospital officials said. > > Close to the border with Israel, gunmen shot and killed an Israeli > woman jogging in the Jewish settlement of Elei Sinai. Another > Israeli, who tried to administer first aid, also was killed, military > sources said. Two Palestinian gunmen were killed in the attack, for > which Hamas claimed responsibility. > > Israeli armored vehicles drove into Jebaliya � the largest with more > than 100,000 residents � on Thursday morning, under cover of heavy > machine-gun fire. > > Dozens of masked Palestinian gunmen fired at the tanks, and hundreds > of residents rushed into the streets, many throwing stones. Some of > the gunmen were seen laying booby-traps, while several children tried > to climb onto tanks. > > An Israeli bulldozer tore down the outer wall of a U.N. school close > to the camp's central market, and soldiers took up positions inside, > signaling that the army intends to stay in the heart of the camp for > some time. > > It marked the first time in four years of fighting that Israeli > troops pushed deep into the camp. In previous raids, they would enter > outlying neighborhoods, but avoided longer stays, apparently for fear > of entanglement. > > A masked Hamas gunman carrying a rocket launcher said he expected > Israeli soldiers to leave soon. > > "Jebaliya will be a burial ground for their soldiers," he said on > condition of anonymity. > > Former Gaza security chief Mohammed Dahlan, seen as a key player in > running Gaza after an Israeli withdrawal, said in a statement that > the Israeli operation "will result in a bloodbath on both sides > because the Palestinian people cannot remain silent in the face of > this aggression." > > Gideon Meir, an Israeli government spokesman, said Israel has an > obligation to protect its citizens. > > "Once again we are witness to a brutal terror attack aimed at hurting > innocent women and children ... on the eve of a Jewish holiday," he > said. > > Israeli helicopters dropped Arabic-language flyers over northern > Gaza, telling residents that "terrorism pushes you further into a > life of misery and poverty." 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