Kepada Moderator PPINDIA, Betapa menyakitkan SUBYEK yang anda loloskan kali ini. Apa judul yang sangat menghina seperti ini masih masuk dalam khasanah demokrasi yang ingin dibangun? Padahal dalam aturan main yang anda uraikan pada bagian 1 secara eksplisit anda tuliskan HARAP TIDAK MEMPOSTING/REPLY YANG MENYINGGUNG SARA. Apa judul yang digunakan tersebut dalam kaca mata anda masih dapat dikatakan bukan bagian dari SARA? 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; 4. Posting: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dalam hati saya bertanya, bagaimana reaksi yang akan saya terima apabila saya menulis judul yang sama namun mengganti Yesus TUHAN yang saya percayai dengan sosok lain? Tentu nasib saya akan buruk. Sudahlah.... Begini saja, kepada Moderator tolong tidak lagi memasukan saya/alamat email saya dalam daftar member anda. Sebenarnya saya senang berada di sini, tapi saya tentu kesenangan saya tidak ada artinya sama sekali dibanding rasa sakit membaca judul posting seperti yang di atas. Kepada orang yang menjadikan JESUS sebagai bahan ejekan, saya ingin senantiasa berdoa Anda selalu diberkati dalam kehidupan anda. Terima kasih, Shanty RG Nur Rahmat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: kalau begitu jubah ini bukan pakaina ekslusif kepada suatu kaum yang hidup di padang pasir kan? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apakah orang arab saja yang pakai jubah? Untuk supaya Anda tidak dicap tak berpengetahuan umum, baiklah saya beritahukan bahwa semua bangsa yang berdiam di gurun pasir [desert) atau setangah gurun pasir [semi desert] berpakaian a la jubah dalam bahasa arab disebut "garabeya". Orang Tionghoa zaman dulu pun pakai semacam jubah cumpa tanpa turban. > > Fr�n: dicky riyadi > Datum: 2004/10/22 Fri PM 02:35:51 CEST > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > �mne: [ppiindia] Yesus pake kemben > > > > betul..., coba wanita pake kemben ke gereja ya... > > lha wong yesus saja pake jubah arab lho....wanita di filme yesus juga pake > kerudung... > > > > RG Nur Rahmat wrote: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > *********************** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. > ***********-*********** > > > Standar Allah??? > > "Standar Allah menurut tafsiran manusia" itu yg lebih tepat... > Allah tahu setiap seluk beluk tubuh manusia, kenapa mesti ditutupin. > Wong, Dia yg menciptakan, koq! > > --> Memang iya semua Alah yang menciptakan tapi manusia yang tidak tahu setiap lekuk > tubuh selalu mau lihat-lihat toh? Anda kira pake jilbab ini untuk Allah? Salah > besar. Pakai jilbab ini untuk manusia sendiri, khususnya wanita. Ayat berljilbab ini > turun karena ada wanita muslim yg diganggu di pasar, ayat itu turun agar wanita yang > beriman supaya menutup kepala dan dadanya, agar tidak diganggu. > > http://www.geocities.com/alummah2000/ChastityAndHijabMuhammadJesus1.html > > 33:32. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any of the [other] women. Therefore, > if you are mindful [of your duty to God] do not be over-soft in your speech, lest > any whose heart is diseased should be moved to desire, but speak in a proper and > goodly manner. > > 33:33. And stay in your homes, and do not flaunt your charms as they used to do in > the time of ignorance. Pray regularly and give the due portion in charity, and obey > God and His messenger. God just wishes to remove uncleanness far from you, O members > of the [Prophet's] household, and lead you to complete purity. > > 33:53. ... And when you (O believers) ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) > anything, ask of them from behind a hijab. This is purer for your hearts and their > hearts ... > > 33:59. O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers > to draw over them some outer garments [when in public]. That is better for being > recognized and not being annoyed. God is ever forgiving, merciful. > > The words in verse 33, "stay in your homes" seem to have suggested to some that in > Islam the ideal is almost total physical seclusion of women through confinement to > homes. But in regard to these words it should be noted that they are addressed to > the wives of the Prophet and the passage begins with the statement that they are not > like other women. Moreover, the command "stay in your homes" should be understood in > the light of the subsequent words: "and do not flaunt your charms as they used to do > in the time of ignorance". That is, the command does not exclude going out for other > purposes such as work or prayers or participating in some legitimate activity which > is beneficial for the woman individually or for the community at large. This is as > true of the wives of the Prophet as of other women. Thus, in verse 59 the Prophet's > wives and daughters are specifically addressed along with other women and told to > draw their outer garments over them. This instruction will not make sense if > women, including wives and daughters of the Prophet were to always stay home. > Finally, in 4:32 it is taken for granted that some women might engage in jobs or > businesses, which of necessity will require going out. > > In verse 53 believers are told to communicate with the Prophet's wives from behind a > "hijab". This word means some form of barrier such as a curtain that secludes one > party from the other. Thus in 19:17 Mary chooses seclusion (hijab) from her people > to receive glad tidings of Jesus' birth. In 7:46 it refers to a barrier that will > separate the people of heaven from the people of hell and in 83:15 we read that the > unbelievers will be debarred (mahjub) from God. God is said in 42:51 to speak to man > only by way of inspiration or from behind a hijab. In these verses the word may not > refer to a physical barrier, since God, Heaven and Hell are not physical realities > in our ordinary sense. Surah 17:45 speaks of a hidden barrier (hijab mastur) that is > created between the Prophet and the unbelievers when he reads the Qur'an (see also > 41:5). But in Islamic tradition the word has come to signify one or the other of the > ways whereby men and women to varying degree separate themselves from each > other for the purpose of promoting modesty and chastity. Very often the word is > further specialized to the head cover that Muslim women wear. However, the word used > by the Qur'an for head-cover is khimar. > > The fact that the believers can communicate with the wives of the Prophet albeit > from behind a hijab shows that the purpose of the Qur'an is not to isolate women > from community life. > > In the verses of Surah 24 women were only commanded to draw their head coverings > over their bosoms while keeping the dress that they normally wore, which was a long > tunic, although they were told not to display their adornments. In 33:59 they are > asked to draw some outer garments (jalabib, plural of jilbab) over them. Jilbab, in > classical Arabic means a large sheet, as we can see from the usage of the word in > Hadith (see further below). But a sown outer garment such as is often used by many > women in the Middle East can serve the same purpose. Like khimar respectable women > might have used jilbab cover themselves over them in pre-Islamic times. The Qur'an > made that practice into a rule. > > Jilbab and hijab serve the same purpose. When a woman goes outside she covers > herself by jilbab. But at home, of course, she is dressed in a much more relaxed > way. Consequently, first of all, people are told to enter the house only after > getting permission and second of all women are told to speak from behind a hijab. > This hijab is only for extra convenience. Otherwise, if women are always wearing a > jilbab there will be no need for hijab. > > The word used for putting the jilbab on is idna' 'ala. idna' means to bring > something near or close. Thus in the same verse (59) it is said that it is better > for being recognized, where "it is better" is a translation of 'adna' which may be > more literally translated, "it is closer". When followed by ila the word means wrap > around while idna' 'ala means to put over. Thus in the verse there may be a word > play: idna' 'ala of the jilbab is 'adna' for being recognized as respectable women. > > How far jilbab should cover the woman is subject to interpretation. Clearly, it is > not intended that everything should be covered, since at least the eyes need to > remain uncovered. Some, including most of the classical interpreters such as Tabari, > Zamakhshari, Razi are of the opinion that only eyes should be uncovered. On the > other extreme it is said that even the head need not be covered. The words idna' > 'ala, however, are more naturally interpreted that covering of the head is intended. > Books of Hadith can be used to support both interpretations, although we will show > later by a detailed analysis of a very early hadith that in the first century hijri > the face was not covered. The interpretation that everything except the eyes needs > to be covered became a prevalent view sometimes during the second century. The > classical interpreters seem to be guided by this second-century prevalent view > rather than by the words of the Qur�an or any authentic hadith. > > Against the covering of the face one may argue that this can cause undue hardship > for women, especially in hot countries and it is not the intention of the Qur'an to > make life unduly hard for believers: > > God desires ease for you; he does not desire hardship for you (2:185). > > Another argument against the covering of the face is that in 24:30 the Qur�an tells > the believing men to lower their gaze. This will not be necessary if women were to > cover their faces. This argument will, however, loose its force if the verse about > jilbab came after the verse about lowering gaze. Also, even after the verse about > jilbab there can be occasions when a person will be face to face to a member of > opposite sex and when the lowering of gaze will be relevant. > > In interpreting any Qur'anic regulation we should keep in mind that an > interpretation stricter than the one intended can be as wrong as an interpretation > more liberal than the one intended. For, each time when we become stricter we > prohibit what God has permitted while each time we are more liberal than the Qur'an > we allow something that God has prohibited and the Qur'an makes it clear that both > are wrong (5:87, 6:150, 7:32, 9:37, 66:1). It is one of the missions of the Prophet > to prohibit exactly what is necessary and in the performance of this mission the > Prophet sometimes lifts from earlier ummahs the strict regulations in which they had > imprisoned themselves (7:157), either by too strict interpretations of the divine > regulations or by adding to those regulations (3:93). That people can imprison > themselves in stricter interpretations may seem difficult to understand, for, we > generally expect people to take the easy route. There are two reasons why people may > insist on stricter > interpretations: > > a) The tendency to relax the requirements of a regulation for making things easy for > oneself are fought by the opposite tendency to insist on stricter interpretations. > > b) The stricter interpretation gets associated with piety and some people who want > to feel or show themselves to be very pious choose the stricter interpretation > without being too concerned with what the regulation itself intends. > > > > Kerudung/jilbab dipakai pria & wanita di wilayah yg berpadang pasir... > Fungsinya : > menutupi muka, mata, hidung, mulut dan rambut dari terpaan angin yg membawa > pasir > supaya tetap bersih dan tidak "kelilipan". > > Di Indonesia, fungsinya apa ya?? > Atau biar kelihatan spt orang Arab?? Biar gaya?? > Sama khan dg orang yg berlagak ke-barat-barat-an?? > > --> Apa btul? kalo gitu suster buat apa pakai itu? lihat itu kerudung suster. apa > suster tidak ke-arab-araban juga mnurut anda, sedangkan islam sudah memberikan > alasanya sebagimana diatas, kalao di agama anda bagaimana? > > > > Pakaian itu yg penting : Sopan & bersih. Pake jilbab boleh, pake long dress > boleh, > Pake kemben juga boleh. Terserah aja. Nggak usah pusing... > Gitu aja koq repot.... > > --> Itu kan kata anda, coba anda pake kemban ke gereja atau waktu Yesus masih hidup. > > > Salam, > > > AI > > > > ========================== > > From: RG Nur Rahmat > Subject: Re: Re: Ibu presiden tak berjilbab > > Ini kembali menimbulkan pertanyaan? Apa itu modesty? seberapa tertutup > sebetulnya baju kita? Siapa yang mengeluarkan standard? Kalau kata > Al-Qur'an "tutupilah kepala dan selempangkan ke dada" begitulah kira-kira, > jadi orang yg memakai jilbab ingin mengunakan standard Allah. > > Apakah salah? > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju Indonesia yg Lebih > Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.uni.cc > *************************************************************************** > __________________________________________________________________________ > Mohon Perhatian: > > 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg otokritik) > 2. Pesan yg akan direply harap dihapus, kecuali yg akan dikomentari. > 3. Lihat arsip sebelumnya, www.ppi-india.da.ru; > 4. Posting: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 5. Satu email perhari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 6. No-email/web only: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 7. kembali menerima email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! 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