Daripada terus nggladrah
boleh pendek diambil hikmah :
komitmen peradaban itu
- kemanusiaan
- kebangsaan
jang lupa logo ppiindia deh.
kapan bangsa ini bangkit dari keterpurukan ya ?
jadi bukan agama, suku, ras dan serupanya.
ok ok
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "RM Danardono HADINOTO"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Lha ya kenapa to, kalo US bela Israel? pake syarat kek, nggak pake
> kek. Itu politik mereka kok, pake uang mereka kok.
>
> Bosnia dibela karena Europa? gak lahh, sebab orang Serbia kan
> harusnya lebih dekat? Lha wong sama agamanya (walau beda jurusan)?
>
> kalo kita mau bela Palestina, ya monggo, kirim beras, obat2an,
uang,
> senjata, sukarelawan, TKW...
>
> RMDH
>
>
>
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], RG Nur Rahmat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Bagaimana dengan dukungan Amerika terhadap Israel yang begitu
kuat
> dan tanpa syarat?
> > Mungkin Bosnia itu karena orang Eropa maka harus diselamatkan.
> >
> > rm_danardono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Mbak, dengan pekik juangnya "El Pluribus Unum" US adalah negara
> > bhineka budaya dan agama, dan tak pernah merumuskan policy-nya
> > bersandang pada kajian agama. US membela Kosovo dan Bosnia yang
> > Muslim, dan membom Seebia yang Kristen. Lain kali membpom negara2
> > yang beragama lain. jadi tak ada kriteria keagamaan dalam
perilaku
> US
> > secara keseluruhan.
> >
> > Satu2nya kaitan US dengan religiousitas adalah ungkapan "In God
we
> > trust".
> >
> > Kalau kita pelajari system hukum US yang termasuk kelompok system
> > Anglo Saxon, maka kita lihat ketatnya azas sekularisme. Negara ya
> > negara, agama ya agama.
> >
> > ya kan mBak?
> >
> > Salam
> >
> > RM D Hadinoto
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Carla Annamarie"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > america memang bukan negara agama, tp negara america berdiri or
> > founded by
> > > sekelompok org kristen puritan, makanya kalo dilihat dr dasar-
> dasar
> > > philosophy negaranya bnyk terkandung ajaran kristen.
> > > kalo dilihat sejarahnya, america adalah negara religious, tp dgn
> > > perkembangan jaman bnyk perubahan, sejak adanya amandemen
> pemisahan
> > state
> > > affairs from religious affairs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > partogi
> > samosir
> >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > ahoo.com>
> > cc:
> > > Subject: [ppiindia]
> > Amerika = Negara Krsiten ?
> > > 11/01/2004
> > 07:44
> >
> > >
> > PM
> >
> > > Please respond
> > to
> > >
> > ppiindia
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > dear all,
> > > Sikap gereja di Amerika (yang mengesahkan pernikahan sesama
jenis
> > dan
> > > melantik seorang Gay menjadi pendeta) semakin menyadarkan kita
> > bahwa
> > > Amerika bukan negara Kristen.
> > > Semua aksi dan policy Amerika bukan untuk kepentingan
> Kekristenan,
> > tapi
> > > untuk kepentingan Amerika sendiri.
> > > togi
> > >
> > > dicky riyadi wrote:
> > >
> > > Africans: Pro-Gay U.S. Church Follows New Religion
> > >
> > > Fri Oct 29,11:22 AM ET
> > > Top Stories - Reuters
> > > By Dino Mahtani
> > > LAGOS (Reuters) - African bishops representing a majority of
the
> > world's
> > > Anglicans said on Friday North American sections that embrace
> > homosexuality
> > > should be seen as following a different religion.
> > >
> > > The statement by top Anglican clerics at a landmark conference
in
> > Nigeria
> > > to determine their future marked a growing separation between
> > conservatives
> > > and liberals in the 70-million strong church.
> > >
> > > The bishops told their North American counterparts to repent
and
> > ask for
> > > forgiveness for approving same-sex marriages and consecrating
Gene
> > > Robinson, a divorced homosexual and father of two, as a bishop.
> > >
> > > "Failure to do so would indicate that they have chosen to 'walk
> > alone' and
> > > follow another religion," said the statement issued by the
senior
> > clerics
> > > from across the continent.
> > >
> > > A report earlier this month by senior Anglican clergy urged
North
> > American
> > > congregations to ban same-sex marriages and the ordination of
gay
> > clergy,
> > > but stepped back from an outright condemnation of gays in a bid
to
> > > reconcile the divisions.
> > >
> > > But African church leaders said it did not go far enough and
> > accused the
> > > North American communions of subverting the faith and imposing
a
> > false
> > > doctrine.
> > >
> > > African bishops want their continent to become the new
heartland
> of
> > > Anglicanism and Nigerian Primate Peter Akinola, Africa's top
> > cleric, has
> > > said the Church of Nigeria aims to set up branches in the
United
> > States.
> > >
> > > Church leaders in Africa fear if Anglicanism fails to take a
firm
> > stance on
> > > homosexuality, its parishioners -- many of whom are
> traditionalists
> > who
> > > cannot stomach the idea of gay bishops -- will desert it for
> > evangelical
> > > churches or Islam.
> > >
> > > Earlier this week Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo -- a
born-
> > again
> > > Christian -- backed African bishops in rejecting homosexuality
> and
> > called
> > > gay tendencies "unbiblical, unnatural and definitely un-
African."
> > >
> > > The bishops gathered in Nigeria have said they would not be
> swayed
> > in their
> > > rejection of ordaining gays by the lure of church funds from
the
> > liberal
> > > West, despite Africa receiving 70 percent of its funds mainly
> from
> > America.
> > >
> > >
> > > But church leaders say the split between African bishops and
> their
> > American
> > > counterparts is not so much a geographical division as a split
> > between the
> > > liberal and conservative wings of the church.
> > >
> > > Already, conservatives in the same U.S. Episcopal Church that
> > ordained
> > > Robinson have called his appointment "schismatic." Many of the
> more
> > liberal
> > > bishops in Africa, particularly from South Africa, have taken a
> > softer
> > > approach to gays and have snubbed the conference in Nigeria.
> > >
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