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----- Original Message ----- From: RM Danardono HADINOTO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: [ppiindia] Re: Amerika = Negara Krsiten ? Lha ya kenapa to, kalo US bela Israel? pake syarat kek, nggak pake kek. Itu politik mereka kok, pake uang mereka kok. Bosnia dibela karena Europa? gak lahh, sebab orang Serbia kan harusnya lebih dekat? Lha wong sama agamanya (walau beda jurusan)? kalo kita mau bela Palestina, ya monggo, kirim beras, obat2an, uang, senjata, sukarelawan, TKW... RMDH --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], RG Nur Rahmat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bagaimana dengan dukungan Amerika terhadap Israel yang begitu kuat dan tanpa syarat? > Mungkin Bosnia itu karena orang Eropa maka harus diselamatkan. > > rm_danardono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Mbak, dengan pekik juangnya "El Pluribus Unum" US adalah negara > bhineka budaya dan agama, dan tak pernah merumuskan policy-nya > bersandang pada kajian agama. US membela Kosovo dan Bosnia yang > Muslim, dan membom Seebia yang Kristen. Lain kali membpom negara2 > yang beragama lain. jadi tak ada kriteria keagamaan dalam perilaku US > secara keseluruhan. > > Satu2nya kaitan US dengan religiousitas adalah ungkapan "In God we > trust". > > Kalau kita pelajari system hukum US yang termasuk kelompok system > Anglo Saxon, maka kita lihat ketatnya azas sekularisme. Negara ya > negara, agama ya agama. > > ya kan mBak? > > Salam > > RM D Hadinoto > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Carla Annamarie" > wrote: > > > > > > america memang bukan negara agama, tp negara america berdiri or > founded by > > sekelompok org kristen puritan, makanya kalo dilihat dr dasar- dasar > > philosophy negaranya bnyk terkandung ajaran kristen. > > kalo dilihat sejarahnya, america adalah negara religious, tp dgn > > perkembangan jaman bnyk perubahan, sejak adanya amandemen pemisahan > state > > affairs from religious affairs. > > > > > > > > > partogi > samosir > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ahoo.com> > cc: > > Subject: [ppiindia] > Amerika = Negara Krsiten ? > > 11/01/2004 > 07:44 > > > > PM > > > Please respond > to > > > ppiindia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > Sikap gereja di Amerika (yang mengesahkan pernikahan sesama jenis > dan > > melantik seorang Gay menjadi pendeta) semakin menyadarkan kita > bahwa > > Amerika bukan negara Kristen. > > Semua aksi dan policy Amerika bukan untuk kepentingan Kekristenan, > tapi > > untuk kepentingan Amerika sendiri. > > togi > > > > dicky riyadi wrote: > > > > Africans: Pro-Gay U.S. Church Follows New Religion > > > > Fri Oct 29,11:22 AM ET > > Top Stories - Reuters > > By Dino Mahtani > > LAGOS (Reuters) - African bishops representing a majority of the > world's > > Anglicans said on Friday North American sections that embrace > homosexuality > > should be seen as following a different religion. > > > > The statement by top Anglican clerics at a landmark conference in > Nigeria > > to determine their future marked a growing separation between > conservatives > > and liberals in the 70-million strong church. > > > > The bishops told their North American counterparts to repent and > ask for > > forgiveness for approving same-sex marriages and consecrating Gene > > Robinson, a divorced homosexual and father of two, as a bishop. > > > > "Failure to do so would indicate that they have chosen to 'walk > alone' and > > follow another religion," said the statement issued by the senior > clerics > > from across the continent. > > > > A report earlier this month by senior Anglican clergy urged North > American > > congregations to ban same-sex marriages and the ordination of gay > clergy, > > but stepped back from an outright condemnation of gays in a bid to > > reconcile the divisions. > > > > But African church leaders said it did not go far enough and > accused the > > North American communions of subverting the faith and imposing a > false > > doctrine. > > > > African bishops want their continent to become the new heartland of > > Anglicanism and Nigerian Primate Peter Akinola, Africa's top > cleric, has > > said the Church of Nigeria aims to set up branches in the United > States. > > > > Church leaders in Africa fear if Anglicanism fails to take a firm > stance on > > homosexuality, its parishioners -- many of whom are traditionalists > who > > cannot stomach the idea of gay bishops -- will desert it for > evangelical > > churches or Islam. > > > > Earlier this week Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo -- a born- > again > > Christian -- backed African bishops in rejecting homosexuality and > called > > gay tendencies "unbiblical, unnatural and definitely un-African." > > > > The bishops gathered in Nigeria have said they would not be swayed > in their > > rejection of ordaining gays by the lure of church funds from the > liberal > > West, despite Africa receiving 70 percent of its funds mainly from > America. > > > > > > But church leaders say the split between African bishops and their > American > > counterparts is not so much a geographical division as a split > between the > > liberal and conservative wings of the church. > > > > Already, conservatives in the same U.S. Episcopal Church that > ordained > > Robinson have called his appointment "schismatic." Many of the more > liberal > > bishops in Africa, particularly from South Africa, have taken a > softer > > approach to gays and have snubbed the conference in Nigeria. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > ***** > > Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. Menuju > Indonesia yg > > Lebih Baik, in Commonality & Shared Destiny. www.ppi-india.uni.cc > > > ********************************************************************** > ***** > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ > > Mohon Perhatian: > > > > 1. Harap tdk. memposting/reply yg menyinggung SARA (kecuali sbg > otokritik) > > 2. 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