Weleh cuma si Dalai itu...kalang kabut ke Dharamsala... tapi seluruh
aparat negara masih utuh kok..coba sowan kesana,mas
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], RG Nur Rahmat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> dan di Tibet, rohaniwan topnya sudah lari karena ditindas China
Komunis.
>
> rm_danardono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Masih ada,mas, negara2 yang theokratis: Tibet..
>
> Disana yang kuasa para rohaniwan, kalau kita tiru, ya nanti mullah
> yang menguasai negara..
>
> RMD H
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Fr�n: "Carla Annamarie"
> > > Datum: 2004/11/02 Tue AM 01:32:38 CET
> > > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > �mne: Re: [ppiindia] Amerika = Negara Krsiten ?
> > >
> > >
> > Banyak orang belum mengerti pentingnya urusan agama adalah
> terpisah dari urusan negara. Teokratik sistem negara itu sampai
abad
> pertengahan, lalu mengalami kemunduran, karena tidak bisa
> menyesuaikan diri dengan roda putaran kemajuan pemikiran ilmu dan
> teknologi maka negeri-negeri di Europa meninggalkan sistem tsb,
hanya
> satu-satu negeri yang masih ada ialah Vatikan dengan paus sebagai
> kepala negara.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > america memang bukan negara agama, tp negara america berdiri or
> founded by
> > > sekelompok org kristen puritan, makanya kalo dilihat dr dasar-
> dasar
> > > philosophy negaranya bnyk terkandung ajaran kristen.
> > > kalo dilihat sejarahnya, america adalah negara religious, tp dgn
> > > perkembangan jaman bnyk perubahan, sejak adanya amandemen
> pemisahan state
> > > affairs from religious affairs.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> > > partogi
> samosir
>
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> cc:
> > > Subject:
> [ppiindia] Amerika = Negara Krsiten ?
> > > 11/01/2004
> 07:44
>
> > >
> PM
>
> > > Please respond
> to
> > >
> ppiindia
>
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > dear all,
> > > Sikap gereja di Amerika (yang mengesahkan pernikahan sesama
jenis
> dan
> > > melantik seorang Gay menjadi pendeta) semakin menyadarkan kita
> bahwa
> > > Amerika bukan negara Kristen.
> > > Semua aksi dan policy Amerika bukan untuk kepentingan
> Kekristenan, tapi
> > > untuk kepentingan Amerika sendiri.
> > > togi
> > >
> > > dicky riyadi wrote:
> > >
> > > Africans: Pro-Gay U.S. Church Follows New Religion
> > >
> > > Fri Oct 29,11:22 AM ET
> > > Top Stories - Reuters
> > > By Dino Mahtani
> > > LAGOS (Reuters) - African bishops representing a majority of
the
> world's
> > > Anglicans said on Friday North American sections that embrace
> homosexuality
> > > should be seen as following a different religion.
> > >
> > > The statement by top Anglican clerics at a landmark conference
in
> Nigeria
> > > to determine their future marked a growing separation between
> conservatives
> > > and liberals in the 70-million strong church.
> > >
> > > The bishops told their North American counterparts to repent
and
> ask for
> > > forgiveness for approving same-sex marriages and consecrating
Gene
> > > Robinson, a divorced homosexual and father of two, as a bishop.
> > >
> > > "Failure to do so would indicate that they have chosen to 'walk
> alone' and
> > > follow another religion," said the statement issued by the
senior
> clerics
> > > from across the continent.
> > >
> > > A report earlier this month by senior Anglican clergy urged
North
> American
> > > congregations to ban same-sex marriages and the ordination of
gay
> clergy,
> > > but stepped back from an outright condemnation of gays in a bid
to
> > > reconcile the divisions.
> > >
> > > But African church leaders said it did not go far enough and
> accused the
> > > North American communions of subverting the faith and imposing
a
> false
> > > doctrine.
> > >
> > > African bishops want their continent to become the new
heartland
> of
> > > Anglicanism and Nigerian Primate Peter Akinola, Africa's top
> cleric, has
> > > said the Church of Nigeria aims to set up branches in the
United
> States.
> > >
> > > Church leaders in Africa fear if Anglicanism fails to take a
firm
> stance on
> > > homosexuality, its parishioners -- many of whom are
> traditionalists who
> > > cannot stomach the idea of gay bishops -- will desert it for
> evangelical
> > > churches or Islam.
> > >
> > > Earlier this week Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo -- a
born-
> again
> > > Christian -- backed African bishops in rejecting homosexuality
> and called
> > > gay tendencies "unbiblical, unnatural and definitely un-
African."
> > >
> > > The bishops gathered in Nigeria have said they would not be
> swayed in their
> > > rejection of ordaining gays by the lure of church funds from
the
> liberal
> > > West, despite Africa receiving 70 percent of its funds mainly
> from America.
> > >
> > >
> > > But church leaders say the split between African bishops and
> their American
> > > counterparts is not so much a geographical division as a split
> between the
> > > liberal and conservative wings of the church.
> > >
> > > Already, conservatives in the same U.S. Episcopal Church that
> ordained
> > > Robinson have called his appointment "schismatic." Many of the
> more liberal
> > > bishops in Africa, particularly from South Africa, have taken a
> softer
> > > approach to gays and have snubbed the conference in Nigeria.
> > >
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