Ada benernya jg fakta-fakta ini, tapi ini tidak dapat dijadikan
pembenaran AS menyerang Irak. Itulah kelihaian Amerika menggunakan
situasi dan kesempatan. Apakah untuk pemerintahan Amrik ini betul
utk 'freedom' suatu negara lain? bukan ada bisnis lain?
>as we look at the history..US never quit to fight for freedom..., as a
matter of facts if US not enter every wars especially in WW II and not won
the cold war against Russia...perhaps u and i wont breath the air of
freedom right now...but it seems we simply forgot abt that..
france government owe to US for normandie bcs many of US soldiers died
there.., Germany, british also owed US the same...but perhaps most of us
forgot abt that..
most ppl ignored or turn back their reasonable minds for that bcs it's
simple their accusation based or blur hatred..
Maukah mereka berperang demi 'freedom' suatu negara lain tanpa
mengambil keuntungan apa-apa?
>the numbers of US soldiers that been killed from a war to fight freedom
for other nations/countries is still the highest amongst all the nations in
the world..could u debate that..? to me..their action is beyond reason and
not worthed for every kinda profit....but all the soldiers that have gave
their life to human kind..believe that their sacrificies for a great
cause..and it's called "freedom to every man"..
Jelas kalau Kuwait, pemerintahan Kuwait minta tolong ke AS, tapi
Irak?
> why not asked for Arabs or european , why US...?, btw US dont have any
obligation..right?, i didnt recalled troops from arabs or jihad fighters
from indo to help for kuwait (kuwait is a moslem country)..but there were
many US soldiers died during that war..., to fight for ppl that not even
related religion than them.., they could refused it.right? they could turn
their back on kuwait..and let the arabs nation take care the matter for
them self...
Saya kira sebagian besar rakyat Irak memang tidak menyukai Saddam
yang otoriter, tapi mereka juga tidak menyukai kalau negaranya
dijajah, apalagi sama Amerika yang dianggap kafir...
> Mba Lina..now u see the point..., ppl of iraq hates saddam bcs his
demonized-rezime, but also hate US for being ""kafir""..gosh..it's so
terrible , dont u see..?, kindness paid with hatred..., it's like a pattern
in arabs country..., i wonder if the Kafir ppl or kafir country has
suffered the same thing, does arabs or islamic country will do the same
thing as rescue, liberate them, fight for them, sacrificies for them, or
even died for them..., i think i doubt that..bcs sacrificies for others
that re different or kafir..is not in the heart or in the mind of them
(arabs)...bcs it's only hatred they could gives..is it a very pitiful thing
to see..?
"Lina Dahlan"
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ppiindia
Ada benernya jg fakta-fakta ini, tapi ini tidak dapat dijadikan
pembenaran AS menyerang Irak. Itulah kelihaian Amerika menggunakan
situasi dan kesempatan. Apakah untuk pemerintahan Amrik ini betul
utk 'freedom' suatu negara lain? bukan ada bisnis lain?
Maukah mereka berperang demi 'freedom' suatu negara lain tanpa
mengambil keuntungan apa-apa?
Jelas kalau Kuwait, pemerintahan Kuwait minta tolong ke AS, tapi
Irak? Amerika harus buat dalih senjata kimia yang ternyata bullshit
utk bisa menyerang Irak? Kalau memang utk freedom, kenapa harus
tipu2 buat alibi?
Kalau Amrik hanya mau membunuh Saddam (yg dianggap sbg teroris)
kenapa engga kirim aja James Bondnya Amrik ke Iraq?
Hanya saja (mungkin) diluar 'dugaan' Amrik adalah adanya 'teroris'
yang berjanji akan membuat Iraq menjadi spt Vietnam.
Saya kira sebagian besar rakyat Irak memang tidak menyukai Saddam
yang otoriter, tapi mereka juga tidak menyukai kalau negaranya
dijajah, apalagi sama Amerika yang dianggap kafir...
--- In [email protected], Carla Annamarie
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> hard Facts :
> 1. it seems ppl nearly forgot the saddam invasion to kuwait in
1991, as i
> recalled kuwait government and its ppl asked for US assistance,
and it was
> in TV and broadcasted in worldwide.., even many ppl accused for
US hidden
> agenda for oil..but untill now we re fully aware that most country
that
> have an oil agreement in kuwait re european countries not US..
> and we know that ppl of kuwait lives..and not under rezime or
> persecution..., i wonder if US didnt take the action of saving
kuwait, by
> then perhaps saddam not only invaded kuwait but also all arabs
nation..
> i think before US freed iraq from saddam rezime, the ppl of iraq
is under
> thread, persecution, massacres, and killings..
> and perhaps if there're facts no suicide bombs when saddam was
still in
> charge, the answer for simple..the suicide killings wont works for
> saddam.., suicide bombs wont stop him.., besides he and his
intelligent
> already prevent that from happenings.
> 2. the massacre of women and children.., as i recalled most
terrorist take
> advantage of women and children as a living shield, if the
soldiers found
> out their place of hiding or targetting their place, they oftens
used women
> and children as a divertion or shield, bcs they know that US
soldiers wont
> fired a shot in every circumstances especially if there're any
civilians
> in combat...but the terrorist knew that so they use that kinda low
> tactics.., bcs for terrorist everything is dispenseable for their
cause..
> 3. logika invasi US, i think for iraqi ppl is not an invasion but
is
> freedom..if u could asked all the ppl of iraq and kurdi after their
> liberation from saddam..u could see the gratefulnes in their
eyes..but now
> after many confrontation from the terrorist perhaps from ppl that
still
> loyal to saddam and more over there's dispute between internal
islamic
> group in iraq has bcs the main probs in iraq...
>
> i think if we look at the basic issue here, that each of us have a
> different view regarding the subject..war is not the answer still
the
> casualties always the innocent ppl.., freedom takes sacrificies
and courage
> to sacrifies...perhaps from all this time since WW II, korean War,
Vietnam
> War, Cold War, kuwait War, Bosnia-Serbia War, and now Iraq War,
american
> always enter the wrong war for the sake of freedom..., and it's
not for the
> sake of its own ppl.."american ppl" but for the freedom of
others...,
> ironically funny but it's the hard facts...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Faruq
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> Please respond
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>
ppiindia
>
>
>
>
>
>
> hard facts:
>
> 1. kasus bom bunuh diri tidak pernah sekalipun terjadi
> sebelum invasi AS ke Irak.
>
> 2. pembunuhan massal (massacre)--yg berarti termasuk
> wanita dan anak2-- yg dilakukan AS di fallujah
> terutama, dan di tempat lain jauh lebih besar.
>
> 3. logika invasi AS terbukti berubah2; dari WMD,
> toppling saddam dan demokratisasi. semua berdasar
> moralitas dan peradaban which again contrary to the
> fact.
>
> 4. saddam melakukan penjagalan juga pada masa dia
> berkuasa yg dikutuk dunia; kecuali AS yg memanfaatkan
> Saddam untuk menyerang iran.
>
> bung kim hook, you cannot be a good analyst if u just
> use half of ur brain to catch half of the truth.
>
> cheers up,
>
>
> --- farid bajber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
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>
> salah satu kebodohan yang tidak bisa dimaafkan adalah
> kesalahan fatal generalisasi. semakin spesifik data,
> semakin akurat penelitian, semakin tinggi nilai
> keilmuannya. Posting kedua kelihatannya mulai sadar:
> "Zarkawi dan anggota penteror yang datang dari luar
> Irak" (lebih spesifik) namun masih belum jelas...tahu
> ngak apa yang diomongin...
> orang yang paling bodoh adalah yang tidak tahu apa
> yang diomongin.....sama saja dengan angin busuk....
>
> FB
> Di Irak Selatan
>
>
>
> kim3hook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tidak usah bertele-tele seperti itu menanyakan apa itu
> penteror
> di Irak. Karena semua orang yang rajin membaca berita
> yang
> berkisar di Irak, pasti akan tau siapa mereka-mereka
> itu. Karena
> hampir setiap kejadian, selalu mereka akui melalui
> corong Al Jazira.
>
>
>
> Faruq Saniyasnain
> (Manchester)
>
>
>
>
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