[PRODIG] Re: Niko Tom/Bob M and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all

[matthew ward]

Apologies to the list mum, I know you have closed this thread and I won't post again on it.
However, (there is always a however:)

Dick Roadnight wrote

Try reading what Bob M wrote:

The majority of full on digital advertising photographers to my
knowledge
using high end systems , 'cause only the best will do for the demands
imposed by most advertising briefs.
Jumping back below the parapet.
Regards,

Bob Marchant.

This was a reply to Shangara's tirade, but supports Niko Tom's (strongly
put) view that pictures from low-res digital cameras are not adequate
for discerning buyers.

Niko Tom wrote

We are NOT anti-digital fundamentalist. We are just sick of getting digital
images from digital cameras. They are just NOT as good as a good scan. Not
yet! Wait for another year or two. Of course, in depends on the kind of
image you are after. I work for a very high quality magazine, and we are
scanning with a flatbeb Heidelberg F4100. Quality is incredible. We will
only accept incredible quality. And digital cameras are not there yet. We
are not fundamentalists, we've got a eye.

To all of you: STOP buying digital cameras. Just be patience!!

This is all getting a bit personal and we seem to have put off one contributer which is a pity. The original contribution was 'strongly' put and I have no problem with strong statements (In general though, it is a good idea to check you know exactly what you are talking about if you make categorical utterances). I felt it was also rather rude. I do have a problem with that. In an attempt at levity, I wrote a put down. I find that preferable to venting my feelings to an open list.

Statements along the lines of 'we know what we are talking about and the rest of the list doesn't' need to be challenged.
I thought my response was measured. If it upset people, I apologise.

'Tirade' is also, I venture 'strongly put'.

In response to your suggestion that I try reading what Bob M wrote, can I respectfully suggest that you re-read what Niko Tom wrote. There is no mention whatsoever about high or low end digital capture. Niko states that no digital cameras can reach the quality of a flatbeb scanner. Now if a flatbeb functions in the same way as a flatbed, I for one respectfully beg to differ.

Now if we all indulge in dissecting each others emails in a he said, she said, style the list will grind to a halt. But equally, if we cannot prick the bubble of each others pomposity occasionally with the odd barbed comment then the list will be the lessor for it (IMHO). I personally look like I have been rolled up in barbed wire under the excellent tutorage of the list and I am a much more informed and better person for the experience.

I tried to write this without reference to individual names, but it proved beyond my skills. I am not trying to personalise this discussion, just clear it up, and apologise if necessary.

Matthew Ward.

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