Chris Rossi wrote:
I guess what I'm trying to glean, though, is whether it is a normal thing to want to run all of the tests and whether there is an expectation that they will all pass in a vanilla install.

Yes, there is. If a test is broken on a vanilla install, please consider helping to fix the code or the test and committing back! As far as I know, the release manager runs all the tests prior to making a release.

When I've run all the tests in the past, I've tended to enumerate over all the packages in src/ in the coredev ploneout and run them one-by-one, e.g.:

$ cd src ; packages=$(ls -1) ; cd ..
$ for x in $packages; do ./bin/instance test -s $x ; done

On trunk, I think you can just do:

$ ./bin/instance test -s plone

and run all the plone.* and plone.app.* tests, and probably with a few more commands you can run most of our tests like that.

However, most people don't run all the tests all the time whilst they are developing third party components, and if one of your third party components breaks a Plone test when it's installed, it's not 100% certain that this is because the component broke Plone - it may just have altered some assumptions that the Plone tests made that are not key to the test.

Conversely, your component could break Plone, but the test setup for Plone's test may cause your package's changes to be ignored/not loaded (this is kind of preferable - it means the package's tests are much more like unit tests).

If there is no expectation of such, amongst the community, then I'm not inclined to investigate further why individual tests are failing. I am perfectly happy to just run the tests for my packages and leave well enough alone. If I were doing coding that affected the core, though, I would be more concerned, since I'd be wondering how to establish a good baseline for regression testing.

All core tests should pass, of course.

To ask in a different way, when Mr. Aspeli, in his tutorial on testing, says to "run all of the tests" what does he mean by "all"? All of the tests for your package? Or, really, all of the tests?

Heh, Mr. Aspeli means all the ones for the code you're working on.

Martin

--
Author of `Professional Plone Development`, a book for developers who
want to work with Plone. See http://martinaspeli.net/plone-book


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