On 11/09/2012 03:42 PM, Michael Oke wrote:
I don't disagree with the vote being sacred and, as such, people who fail to
avail themselves of it do a great disservice and not just to themselves.
I was not offering the ballot as an excuse, merely wondering if they might
contribute to the long queues.
I'm not even going to start on the lunacy that exists with counting ballots in
Florida. Every vote is supposed to count but maybe not. I understand some of
the difficulties with provisional ballots but that doesn't mean that one single
vote should go uncounted.
OK. I understand how provisional ballots can delay the announcement of
the outcome of a close election, and also how provisional ballots can be
used to manipulate elections. LOL I wasn't aware that provisional
ballots existed, so they are new to me.
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Potential problems
At their best, provisional ballots provide voters who would otherwise be
turned away from the polls to have their votes counted, but at their
worst, the offer of a provisional ballot can be "a way to brush off
troublesome voters by letting them think they have voted." It is
possible for parties to force certain voters to cast provisional ballots
so they can suppress the vote total of an opponent being counted on
election night.
In the 2004 US Presidential Election, controversy arose out of arguments
regarding the interpretation of the criteria for determining the
eligibility of voters using provisional ballots. Many allege that these
discrepancies of interpretations, particularly in Ohio, may have been a
deciding factor in the outcome of the election. In the 2004 election, at
least 1.9 million provisional ballots were cast, and 676,000 were never
counted due to various states' rules on counting provisional ballots.
Studies of the use of provisional ballots in the 2006 general election
in the United States show that around 21% of provisional ballots were
rejected, where the majority of rejected ballots were cast by registered
voters and the majority of rejections were for reasons that were
preventable.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_ballot
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LelandJ
Michael Oke, II
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On Nov 9, 2012, at 1:26 PM, "geoff" <[email protected]> wrote:
Fortunately, most western democracies treat the vote as sacred - not
something that can be taken away. Here in Australia everyone is entitled to
vote unless they are actually in jail at the time serving a current sentence
of 5 years or more. The only other people denied the vote are the declared
mentally incompetent and the current head of state (the governor-general).
and the 'ridiculousness' of the ballot is a poor excuse. it is a relatively
simple matter of demand management. And so I question WHY there are always
queues and why voting is encouraged on one hand and then actively denied by
inadequate polling stations. And then you have the idiocy of florida even
choosing not to count absentee and postal votes 'unless it is close'. who
determines that?
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If 50 years ago that drunken fight resulted in a felony conviction, then yes
you have forfeited your right to vote. Keep in mind that that doesn't stop
people from voting anyway.
I don't understand the queues either but it might have a bit to do with the
ridiculousness of some of the ballots.
Michael Oke, II
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On Nov 9, 2012, at 12:27 PM, "geoff" <[email protected]> wrote:
Why shouldnt they? Surely in any democracy the right to vote should
only be denied under extreme situations and certianly not that 50
years ago you got into a drunken fight and hit someone.
For a democracy, you americans seem quite keen on denying the vote to
as many as you can either by legislation or by creating such queues
that people give up.
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Oke, II
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Why should criminals (felons specifically) be allowed to vote?
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On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:19 PM, "geoff" <[email protected]> wrote:
I have to say that as an observer of your voting system that it sucks
almost beyond belief. You have queues where people stand half a day
to vote when an obvious and rather simple solution is more machines
and more staff. You have officials trying to rig the system, Florida
denying the vote to those with a criminal record etc etc.
Is there any wonder that other countries sent observers to ensure
that your elections are free and fair?
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Theisen
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012 5:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Florida's voting system sucks
On 11/09/2012 12:32 AM, lelandj wrote:
Pete, can't Florida get her voting system together? LOL
I'm glad the election didn't come down to Florida's 29 electoral
votes; because, I'm pretty sure the Republican controlled state
would have followed along the lines of the 2000 election that put
GWB in
office.
Finally; three hours ago:
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results
Hi Leland,
What would Texas have done, given that close a result?
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Pete
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http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
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