Lew, Michael first a bit of background: I first put this up for discussion in: http://leafe.com/archives/showMsg/331417
follow up on http://leafe.com/archives/showMsg/331423 and Kevin Cully pointed out the importance of the 'memo' keyword here: http://leafe.com/archives/showMsg/331428 In my application data entry is spread over several pages with initial stuff being entered on Page 1, this is then saved. On a later occasion the data is retrieved and follow up stuff is entered on Page 2. Tthe controls are all bound to properties of thisform.oData When an existing record is scattered (with 'memo') all of the oData properties exist (the un-filled ones are set to Null): if that record was created by a 'scatter memo name this' / 'gather name this memo' sequence then all is well - but when 'memo' was missed from the original create sequence then the page controls were inaccessible and attempting to type into them gave the 'file is read only' message. I have seen that message with forms bound to remote views that were non-updateable, but these controls *should* be completely unaware of the status of the cursors. I don't have the time to set up a test scenario to check whether this behaviour is a general case or specific to something about my form. To sum up my experiences so far: I have found the cursoradapter plus 'scatter name this' object idea works well. My data design has so far managed to ensure that fields with the same name in two or more tables (e.g. idMember) are in fact the same thing, so it tends not to matter that they are scattered more than once. These fields are usually foreign keys and my approach is to put an addproperty line in the init of the ca for which they are the pk - then the ca selectcmd is e.g. 'select * from foo where fooId = ?this.nfooId' For me the jury is still out on whether ca's offer anything over my previous hand-coded cursorsetprop stuff, but like Everest they're there so I thought I'd try them. It *is* useful to be able to create a quick form by dragging the ca (if I ever find the time I might try and modify the code that does that to work with data objects). P.S. I also got the Les Pinter multiline 'grid' to work - example at: http://www.hawthorn-cottage.com/pintergrid.jpg (some people actually don't like my filing-card tab colours, but they give me a nice warm retro feeling so I still use 'em <bg> - but I admit the disabledbackcolor needs stepping up a bit) Andrew Davies MBCS CITP - AndyD 8-)# ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any queries. ********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

