Charlie Coleman wrote: > At 10:30 AM 1/23/2007 -0500, Ed Leafe wrote: > ... >>> You do good works, help others, etc. That makes you a 'good person' >>> IMO. And, in fact, if I met you on the street and saw what you do for >>> others and actually heard you refer to Christ in a positive light, I may >>> indeed say I think you are a Christian if I were asked. But then if >> I'd have >>> seen your other statements about being an atheist, etc, I'd have to say >> at >>> that point you were not a Christian. >> And thus you are perfectly content to love and worship a being who >> would take someone like me and torture them for all eternity? Wow, if >> that's what your view of Christianity involves, I'm sure glad I'm not >> a part of it. > ... > > I'm not sure how we switched over to this area of discussion, but I'll try > to respond. > > First, I'm not "content". It concerns me that there are so many > non-believers in the world. I pray about it a lot. And I don't worship Him > because He is going to torture unbelievers, I worship Him because He was > gracious enough to offer a way to salvation by sacrificing of Himself. > > As for the torture (in Hell I presume you mean), I don't believe God will > be the one there with a pitchfork. I'm actually not sure what form of > 'pain' will be there. I think the traditional view is fire and brimstone, > but I'm not sure that's a good description. I think the most pain, by far, > will be emotional anguish for the person realizing that they are going to > be eternally separated from God. > > I don't want anyone to go to Hell. Sometimes I may mouth off about some > specific person deserving to go to Hell, but if I would sit and think about > it for a while, I would eventually take it back. In the end, I'm not the > one that controls where a person goes after death. I have faith that God > will do what is right and just. He deals with each person individually at > some point in their life, and how they respond determines their future. > > Some things in Biblical teaching don't sound 'fair' to me. But I will > submit my sense of fairness to God's,
Nnnnope! You will submit your sense of fairness to the biblical teachings. Not necessarily the same thing. > whereas you reject God's existence > because he doesn't fit your sense of logic. BTW, I don't reject god's existence, I just think the god you described is too limited. You froze him/her/it in time, you won't allow him/her/it to change. You won't allow him/her/it free will (which he/her/it grants you). You want to state what he/her/it can or cannot do. You want a god to your own size. I think you're headed for a big surprise, or not (you might just die). > In some ways I hope you're > atheistic view is right because that would mean everyone simply goes off > into non-existence and nothingness. No pain, no feeling, nothing. But in my > heart and mind I feel God exists and there are eternal consequences of > accepting Him or not. > > -Charlie > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
