I'm not defending what Saddam did. I'm not defending abortion. Remember these two points. I agree with you that abortion is wrong. I think its more wrong to push my religion based beliefs on others. Perhaps not, 'more wrong' but wrong in its own way.
Saddam was a horrible person, but murder is murder, in my book. Even murdering a murderer is wrong. Love your enemies, love your neighbors, etc.... I'm not saying you would blow up a building, just asking how far do you have to go before you feel like you're doing your part to stop these atrocities? Do you do more than vote and talk about it on an internet forum? Is that enough to escape your God's judgment. John, to illustrate my point, see this quote from Wikipedia: "Murder is both a legal and a moral term, that are not always coincident. It may be legal to kill, but still murder in the moral sense. Opponents of the death penalty argue that it is simply murder by the state." In the moral sense, murder is murder to me, and the state shouldn't be doing it. I think all murder is wrong, but in this crazy mixed up world, I don't feel like its my duty to go around enforcing my religious views on other. Justin On 1/28/07, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You compare the execution of Saddam Hussein, a man who > has killed over a million Iraqis, some by being gassed > with chemical weapons, some by being thrown off > buildings, some by being thrown into shredders, to > aborting an innocent baby in the womb? Saddam had a > long trial, was able to face his accusers, had many > lawyers, was found guilty under the laws of Iraq, was > given a death sentence, and was executed humanely. A > baby, on the other hand, has no trial, isn't given any > lawyers, can't face its accusers, and is executed by > being sucked out or cut up. Sure, that's a good > comparison. > > I've never supported killing abortion doctors and > nearly 99.999 percent of all pro-life people don't > support it either. > > Try again. > > > > > > --- Justin Darnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I take issue most with your number 7. > > > > I guess you've talked to God and he's told you the > > names of all those > > people that will be punished for their complacency. > > Besides, who are > > you to determine what complacent is. The whole idea > > is a slippery > > slope. If you need to defend the children, and > > you're charged by God, > > are you the type of person who would kill a doctor > > performing > > abortions, or blow up a clinic? I mean, your God > > did tell you to > > protect the children....right? You're NOT out > > everyday trying to stop > > abortions? Complacent complacent. > > > > And let's look at number 1. You support murdering > > Saddam, but not > > fetuses? If killing fetuses is murder we need to > > recognize that > > murdering a conscious larger clump of cells is > > murder too. > > > > J > > > > > > > > On 1/28/07, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Darnell, which one of my truths don't you agree > > with? > > > > > > > > > --- Justin Darnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Madigan, this is why people can't have > > meaningful > > > > conversations with > > > > you. You believe in moral absolutes. You > > believe > > > > you can't be wrong > > > > and there are no gray areas. Sounds like any > > other > > > > brand of > > > > religious extremism to me. > > > > > > > > In order to have a reasonable debate you need to > > > > have some amount of humility. > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > On 1/28/07, Michael Madigan > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > 1. It's murder > > > > > 2. Why don't we allow parents to kill their > > 1yo > > > > kids? > > > > > 3. Most abortions are by women who don't want > > to > > > > be > > > > > inconvenienced, not those who can't have the > > > > child. > > > > > 4. There are plenty of adoption options > > > > > 5. There are plenty of public assistance > > options > > > > for > > > > > first time offenders. > > > > > 6. We push our personal beliefs on people all > > the > > > > > time, why not to save the life of a child? > > > > > 7. God will not only punish the aborting > > parents, > > > > but > > > > > will also punish the legislatures that allow > > it, > > > > the > > > > > people who vote for pro-abortion candidates, > > and > > > > those > > > > > who stand idly by and say and do nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Justin Darnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Almost five million aborted fetuses? Do you > > > > want > > > > > > your taxes raised to > > > > > > take care of them in foster homes? Oh the > > hard > > > > > > decisions a > > > > > > Compassionate Conservative must make. > > > > > > > > > > > > I honestly don't support abortions, but do > > you > > > > > > BELIEVE that you will > > > > > > be held responsible in your version of > > heaven or > > > > > > hell for the mistakes > > > > > > others have made? Why push your personal > > life > > > > and > > > > > > beliefs on others? > > > > > > Everyone answers for themselves in the > > end... > > > > > > > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/28/07, john harvey > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Oh they aren't THAT bad! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > > > > > > Of Michael Madigan > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:32 PM > > > > > > > To: ProFox Email List > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [OT] Deaths since the Iraq > > war -- > > > > on > > > > > > our soil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is true. Do Democrats even have a > > soul? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- john harvey > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The good thing about these abortions is > > that > > > > > > most of > > > > > > > > them are democrats!<G> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf > > > > > > > > Of Kristyne McDaniel > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:51 PM > > > > > > > > To: 'ProFox Email List' > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [OT] Deaths since the Iraq > > war > > > > -- > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > our soil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Helio, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "... It is estimated that up to 50% > > of > > > > all > > > > > > > > fertilized eggs > > > > > > > > > die and are lost > > > > > > > > > (aborted) spontaneously, usually > > before > > > > the > > > > > > woman > > > > > > > > knows she > > > > > > > > > is pregnant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps Madigan and Pete should go > > dumpster > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > for freshly discarded > > > > > > > > feminine products to see if there are > > any > > > > > > fertilized > > > > > > > > eggs they can rescue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hear womb transplants are in test, and > > > > > > artificial > > > > > > > > wombs are being > > > > > > > > researched. Once we are good to go we > > can > > > > outfit > > > > > > > > these guys with their own > > > > > > > > wombs so they can rescue at least one > > > > unwanted > > > > > > > > embryo each year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kristyne McDaniel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
