You're not pushing your religious view on people when you tell them abortion is wrong, you're pushing your moral views, the same moral views that say stealing is wrong, murder is wrong, having sex with your neighbor's wife is wrong, etc... Our whole legal system is based on moral truths.
--- Justin Darnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not defending what Saddam did. I'm not > defending abortion. > Remember these two points. I agree with you that > abortion is wrong. > I think its more wrong to push my religion based > beliefs on others. > Perhaps not, 'more wrong' but wrong in its own way. > > Saddam was a horrible person, but murder is murder, > in my book. Even > murdering a murderer is wrong. Love your enemies, > love your > neighbors, etc.... > > I'm not saying you would blow up a building, just > asking how far do > you have to go before you feel like you're doing > your part to stop > these atrocities? Do you do more than vote and talk > about it on an > internet forum? Is that enough to escape your God's > judgment. > > John, to illustrate my point, see this quote from > Wikipedia: "Murder > is both a legal and a moral term, that are not > always coincident. It > may be legal to kill, but still murder in the moral > sense. Opponents > of the death penalty argue that it is simply murder > by the state." In > the moral sense, murder is murder to me, and the > state shouldn't be > doing it. > > I think all murder is wrong, but in this crazy mixed > up world, I don't > feel like its my duty to go around enforcing my > religious views on > other. > > Justin > > On 1/28/07, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > You compare the execution of Saddam Hussein, a man > who > > has killed over a million Iraqis, some by being > gassed > > with chemical weapons, some by being thrown off > > buildings, some by being thrown into shredders, > to > > aborting an innocent baby in the womb? Saddam had > a > > long trial, was able to face his accusers, had > many > > lawyers, was found guilty under the laws of Iraq, > was > > given a death sentence, and was executed humanely. > A > > baby, on the other hand, has no trial, isn't given > any > > lawyers, can't face its accusers, and is executed > by > > being sucked out or cut up. Sure, that's a good > > comparison. > > > > I've never supported killing abortion doctors and > > nearly 99.999 percent of all pro-life people don't > > support it either. > > > > Try again. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Justin Darnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I take issue most with your number 7. > > > > > > I guess you've talked to God and he's told you > the > > > names of all those > > > people that will be punished for their > complacency. > > > Besides, who are > > > you to determine what complacent is. The whole > idea > > > is a slippery > > > slope. If you need to defend the children, and > > > you're charged by God, > > > are you the type of person who would kill a > doctor > > > performing > > > abortions, or blow up a clinic? I mean, your > God > > > did tell you to > > > protect the children....right? You're NOT out > > > everyday trying to stop > > > abortions? Complacent complacent. > > > > > > And let's look at number 1. You support > murdering > > > Saddam, but not > > > fetuses? If killing fetuses is murder we need > to > > > recognize that > > > murdering a conscious larger clump of cells is > > > murder too. > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/28/07, Michael Madigan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Darnell, which one of my truths don't you > agree > > > with? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Justin Darnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Madigan, this is why people can't have > > > meaningful > > > > > conversations with > > > > > you. You believe in moral absolutes. You > > > believe > > > > > you can't be wrong > > > > > and there are no gray areas. Sounds like > any > > > other > > > > > brand of > > > > > religious extremism to me. > > > > > > > > > > In order to have a reasonable debate you > need to > > > > > have some amount of humility. > > > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > On 1/28/07, Michael Madigan > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > 1. It's murder > > > > > > 2. Why don't we allow parents to kill > their > > > 1yo > > > > > kids? > > > > > > 3. Most abortions are by women who don't > want > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > inconvenienced, not those who can't have > the > > > > > child. > > > > > > 4. There are plenty of adoption options > > > > > > 5. There are plenty of public assistance > > > options > > > > > for > > > > > > first time offenders. > > > > > > 6. We push our personal beliefs on people > all > > > the > > > > > > time, why not to save the life of a child? > > > > > > 7. God will not only punish the aborting > > > parents, > > > > > but > > > > > > will also punish the legislatures that > allow > > > it, > > > > > the > > > > > > people who vote for pro-abortion > candidates, > > > and > > > > > those > > > > > > who stand idly by and say and do nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Justin Darnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Almost five million aborted fetuses? Do > you > > > > > want > > > > > > > your taxes raised to > > > > > > > take care of them in foster homes? Oh > the > > > hard > > > > > > > decisions a > > > > > > > Compassionate Conservative must make. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I honestly don't support abortions, but > do > > > you > > > > > > > BELIEVE that you will > > > > > > > be held responsible in your version of > > > heaven or > === message truncated === _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
