On May 29, 2007, at 5:27 PM, Bill Arnold wrote: > >> The America extremists "love" exists only in their >> megalomaniacal fantasies. They hate the real one because they >> can't control it, or shout or legislate it into conformance >> with their ideological biases. > > > That's great. Extremists start a war and those who stand up to oppose > them are the megalomaniacs seeking to control the country.
Sorry, I hate to sound like a broken record, but there were several debates, and elected officials of both parties signed on. The argument that all these so-called brainiacs now in opposition were duped by a super-secret sect of Jew lovers who, lead by an utter moron, and despite putting everything they believe in plain English on an open web site, supposedly keep everyone in the dark about their beliefs---it's pure poppycock. Whether in the big scheme of things it was right or wrong will be debated, and that's fine. It was both to some degree. Questioning motives is OK as long as you don't slip into some quacky no-man's land of conspiracy theories. Even I with my VERY un- Republican views on free trade, for instance, don't view the curious agreement of both parties on such a ridiculous theory as "comparative advantage" a conspiracy, so much as an expression of human longing (specifically, for a united globe) that clouds clear thinking. I don't call for monkey trials and hangings of the modern economists who, in my view, have performed the economic policy equivalent to what you believe to be our foreign policy blunders. Why? Because I can swallow my pride and even hope I'm wrong, where you see only categorical imperatives. Your inability to see anything but doom, gloom and dark motives is what makes you extremist. Your view that neo-cons are some kind of secret society of all-powerful war mongers is what makes you extremist. If you had even an ounce of reasonability in you, you would not be anywhere nearly as wigged out as you usually are. As for Cindy, it's hard to consider her maternal instinct in any way but compassionate; however, her politics are so screwy and whacked out that she can hardly be said to represent even a fingernail of a minority of military moms who have lost their sons in the cause of freedom--or in any case what he (Casey) believed his life to be serving. I believe in her grief she's done her Casey only a disservice, but that's merely my opinion. My bigger beef with her is that she's cavorted with sworn enemies of our nation (Castro, Chavez come to mind) and in her farewell letter said it plainly: We aren't the country she loves, and she can't make us be what she wants us to be unless we agree to it. Thanks, Cindy, but no thanks. I'd rather not be like Cuba or Venezuela. > > Mr. Plays-with-words, you outdo yourself once again! > I don't play with words. Like you I use them merely to communicate my ideas. You think mine are games because you take only your own seriously. Too seriously. > >> BTW Bill I guess she's technically available now... :) > > People complain that I talk too loud. It's because my hearing was > damaged by artillery. Also because you think everyone else around you is stupid. Your term is "duped" because you've simply learned calling people stupid doesn't give them an out, or a way to save face in light of the absurdity they have accepted as true. So "duped" works because, why, those evil doer's tricked me. Like Eve's excuse for grabbing the apple. > I've had vivid, absolutely "real" nightmares of > sappers sneaking into my room and surrounding my bed. Half the guys in > my company were killed or seriously wounded, mostly in sneak > attacks, by > stepping on mines and in ambushes. I've participated in killing, > destruction and been deeply touched by the insanity of war. About the > only pain I haven't felt is that of a mother who has lost her much > loved > son. Now you suggest that I should feel her pain as well? No I suggest you should take some valerian root and take a warm bath in Epsom salt. > > But it's not any of that which gets me talking and writing today. The > reason I do is that I understand the behavior of a determined, > intelligent and mortal enemy - while you chickhawks, armchair > generals, > armed with TV images of our magnificent military machine cling to your > misguided notion that we can crush any enemy into submission, > regardless > of little details like truth or even what people think. You are too funny! Your fellow Americans---a mortal enemy. Sigh. > > You see war as a solution, I see it as a problem. I see reasoning with dictators as an exercise in futility, and liberating the oppressed as a sort of civic duty. This doesn't happen in the real world unfortunately without the use of force. Even our Independence and Union was paid for in blood, a LOT of it, you seem to forget. Plenty of people thought the notion of breaking with Britain was wrong at the time. But it is generally regarded as a good thing today. > You believe there have > been no attacks here because the gang has protected us; I believe that fine civil servants of both parties have worked to protect our country, and thwarted many attempted attacks on our country since. I am also convinced that one day we'll be hit again. I've believed that since 9/11, I'm just surprised it hasn't happened already. It could at anytime. Given that Al Qaeda has focused hard on Iraq, I think it provides at least some kind of evidence that the notion of getting them to spend their resources there instead of here has at least in the short run helped to prevent another attack. I think if democracy in the ME fails because we in our smarmy self-righteous bigotry believe that freedom really isn't for the Arab people--they can't handle it--then naturally everything we did good will be undone, and everything we did bad will be magnified against us. > I believe our > enemy is taking his time to position for a multi-point super-Tet-style > attack. Well you give them more credit than they deserve. I think the real threat is that next time they'll be aided by Russians and Chinese and possibly Latin American dictators who are all too happy to have the Islamic kooks do their dirty work. There is a fairly muscular revival of the hard Left, in case you haven't noticed, and they view our county and pretty much everything it represents as the enemy not Bin Laden et al. You know who I'm talking about, Cindy's friends and political soul-mates. > You think their leaders, notably but not exclusively Bin Laden, > have been rendered impotent, but I see stirred fanatics begging to > give > their lives for the chance to harm us. You think they can't get > terrible > weapons, that such weapons may be unavailable or too bulky and > complicated, but I see a range of possibilities, right up to and > including tiny little vials. You think we'll spot our enemy because he > looks like an Arab, and I think they're smarter then that. I see that you think you have super X ray vision into reality. I think you need to stop reading comic books. Your caricature of our difference of opinion is quite humorous, though, so I guess I shouldn't complain. > > You've got me - and she - branded as casualties, losers of the game > you > prefer to relish from a safe and comfy distance. You don't believe she > or I have messages worth the time of day to think about, more less act > on. I've spent a ton of apparently wasted time thinking, responding and even debating your and Cindy's so-called "messages". I think you brand yourselves as losers. I just called you extremists, which is a statement of fact. Your views are extreme by just about any measure. > > Cindy Sheehan said she's worn out and throwing in the towel. > Frankly, I > think I'm pissing in the wind too, but this war has brought back > too-vivid memories, I still love what I understand to be the > concept of > America, and my loved ones happen to live in the second of the two > most > vulnerable places. The frosting on this cake, as if it needs one, is > the added insult to injury when I ask "why is this all happening?" and > have to listen to more deceit and more lies. This is what all dictators or wannabe dictators call the disagreement of their philosophical rivals. Unlike your buddy Hugo, though, neither you nor Cindy have the power to pull the plug on people who disagree with you. I don't have any doubt you would if you could. In case you didn't notice, not a single voice has been silenced in this country, not yours, not Cindy's. The once feared Republican "juggernaut" not only cracked but collapsed precisely because of the free flow of ideas, including your and Cindy's nutty ideas, which have a macabre sort of currency among a frightening number of Democrats, despite their inherent lunacy. Cindy's voice just got horse and tired, and yours continues to inflict large quantities of bytes on Ed's MySQL database. These things come and go, and eventually, as long as we remain free, we'll watch the ascendant Democrats make the their own share of human blunders and pay the price at the polls. Because we are a democracy, no deed or policy goes untried--or unpunished. We do live in a free country, all that blather about our becoming a police state notwithstanding. If you want to see what a police state is like, go live in Venezuela, or Cuba, or even Russia lately. For that matter, go work for the Taliban or Al Qaeda. Same concept, different excuse. Here we just flog each other in OT. There you go to prison, shot by a firing squad, or get your head hacked off. I too can imagine horrific futures, Bill. I prefer instead to enjoy liberty and try to help other people experience it too. - Bob > > > > Bill > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
