> AIPAC is presented in this thread as an all powerful Jewish 
> lobby behind the mad rush to war in Iraq. I'd just like to 
> add a bit of context to the discussion.  Several liberal 
> groups are also active with regard to the political debate 
> over Israel and the middle East, these include The Religious 
> Action Centre of Reform Judaism, Americans for Peace Now, and 
> Israel Policy Reform.  These groups have scored recent 
> victories over AIPAC particularly in regard to the 
> Palestinian Ant-Terrorism Act.  Arab-Americans are also a 
> growing political force in Ohio and Michigan.  Granted their 
> political donations are dwarfed by the contributions of 
> pro-Israeli groups but the landscape is changing and America 
> remains a wonderful adversarial democracy.  Further it should 
> be noted that 77% of Israeli's think the war in Iraq was a 
> mistake and 87% of Jews in America voted for the Democrats.  
> I got these numbers from the Economist magazine.  As a 
> footnote the last love fest hosted by AIPAC received the 
> attentions of a noisy protest organized by orthodox Jews who 
> denounced both AIPAC and Israel.  Graham.


I rankle when anyone starts throwing the "anti-semite" spear at me
because I am aware of what you say, and I know that there are huge
debates in Israel over support for that invasion and the whole
belligerence thing. 

What's incomprehensible is that debates which occur all the time in
Israel are not occurring here. I attribute that to "soldiers of Israel"
owning/controlling/influencing our major media outlets (the few that are
left after Congress approved further consolidation) being even more
powerful then anyone imagined. You'd think people would start to see
through it at some point, but no, they turn on the same "news" every
night. Look at Fox's ratings, and Murdoch is right in there with the
most belligerent of Israelis.

Here's an article originally from the LA Times that talks about what
happens if you criticize Israel in the American press
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0901-22.htm

As for the opposition, I'm with them, but they've been completely
ineffective. Given the dire  circumstances, that is inexcusable. 


Bill





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