On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Charlie Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No no no. You're missing the point. A charitable organization depends on
> "donations" from people to do perform its goals. There is no "profit"
> intent (or, at least, there shouldn't be). And by taking large sums of
> money as a salary when working for non-profits basically drains the
> resources without actually accomplishing any goals.
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The UW is a huge org and politics within it for the breakout of funds
issued must be huge.  For a leader of that type of .org to not get
caught up in it, keep the focus on raising money and making sure the
groups that receive it are only in the news for good things should be
rewarded.

If they took that same leadership to the profit side they would
probably receive 2x or maybe 10x in salary/bonus right?

My statement on "Why does a profit model determine pay grades?  " was
under the mindset that you are paid for the job.  Just because this
company gives it's money away why should you be forced to take some
scraps.  I think that great leadership should be rewarded.  What about
you?

> Maybe you think there is some way a "really good CEO" can raise tons of
> money as compared to a "bad CEO." But from what I've seen, that's not the
> case. For non-profits CEO choice isn't nearly as important as finding a
> movie star to put out in front of people.
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I see it differently.  Your proposal is a guarantee for disaster.
Forcing quality leadership to choose between
income and company style is usually going to make quality side step
all types of non profits

> As Mike said, when you go work for a non-profit (or not-for-profit), your
> mentality should be one of "serving" not "being served"
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At just in the 7 figure income I think that he is in a service role.
Would his vision and skill base be rewarded at a higher level 4-12
mill / year if he stepped up to company on the order of Motorola, or
Home Depot?  I think yes.

> That may be difficult for MS-heads to understand, but there are actually
> people out there that want to do things for others and require the absolute
> least amount of expense burden on the benefactors (and supporters). Those
> are the people you want as your CEOs and leaders of non-profits.
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If you say so.  I want a true leader who can communicate with all
level's of the company, and be understood on all those level's as
well.  I want someone who can surround themselves with key talent that
can get more with what they have.  To envision how a changing market
can open up business opportunities instead of just offshore everything
because everyone else is doing that.

Now add to that the ability to take revenue and return some of the
proceeds back to the community you are in.  To create mentoring
programs that are for in-house training as well as helping the youth
of the community who may be your new work force or your new mangagers.

-- 
Stephen Russell
Sr. Production Systems Programmer
Mimeo.com
Memphis TN

901.246-0159


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