Bob Calco wrote:
> Paul and Dave really ought to be ashamed. Pete -- whose only experience is
> FoxPro -- was correct to choose this list to ask his Dabo questions under
> the [NF] banner for two important reasons:
>
> 1. He was complying with the [NF] convention, which explicitly allows
> discussions of non-fox technology, and for some reason I've noticed this
> framework called Dabo keeps getting mentioned there... Or are only Dabo
> posts of the "gee wiz you guys are so awesome!" variety (a la Crozier)
> allowed, and posts intimating that it might not be so easy to use (a la
> Pete's installation problem) are squashed with harsh ad-hominems? It only
> reveals what we already know about the men behind the myth. 
>   
What would the myth be? Dabo? Have you ever tried it? Do you usually
judge software on aaaallllllll this info you've now got Pete?
It's good to know that, so next time you talk about some soft we know
the kind of research you've done before opening your trap.

> But it would still be ironic considering how incessantly they accuse other
> people of being butt-boys for MS and shameless self-promoters. :|
>   
Or maybe the myth are Paul and Ed? I promise you that if I am ever your
guest I wont say what a shitty person you are whilst eating the meal you
provide.

> 2. The progenitors of Dabo are both on this list and have FoxPro
> experience/perspective they could share to help Pete understand Dabo.
And they are both on Dabo list as is Petey. Hummmmm, lets see, three of
them in Dabo list, the issue is Dabo.....Nope, you are right, the
obvious place to bring the subject is Profox.

>  No one
> is asking them to "hold his hand" in this case, however ... a simple pointer
> where he got lost or probably went wrong is all that was requested. 
>   
Have you witnessed the Dabo list thread before opening your big mouth?
Have you looked at the countless "simple pointers" he has been supplied
with. Only missing pointer was about how to power his computer. But hey!
What do I know! You must know better, after all you don't know Dabo, you
haven't witnessed the thread in Dabo list, BUT you are a member of
ProFox, yes, that's it!

> In any case, all the unsolicited career counseling was just plain unseemly
> and uncalled-for.
>   
How would you know? Petey brought an ongoing thing and you only
witnessed the end of it. Again, go to Dabo files and check.

> Obviously, Paul harbors towards Pete an animosity that comes from his
> political orientation. There is no other explanation. It's hard to imagine
> any other hobbyist/newbie looking into Dabo getting that kind of foul
> treatment by one of its creators. 
>
> Well, actually, I'll back off that statement, knowing a bit about Ed and
> Paul...
>   
Of course! When you write a post it is better to write your shit and
then, instead of hitting backspace to erase the rubbish coming out of
your mind, you just write that you back off your statement. As a kid you
obviously threw the stone and then went crying to mom telling her you
didn't mean it. Despicable!

> I often object to Pete's closet socialism ;) but I would never begrudge his
> earnest attempt at learning a new marketable skill or put him down for
> trying. I did think the way he asked his question was a bit loaded (i.e.,
> "has anyone ever installed this before"), but that's Pete, who was clearly
> being facetious if not self-ironic to anyone who knows his colloquialisms
> and his voice. 
>   
Ok, so I'll open a new NF thread and get you, through countless
questions, to help me write a book in greek. How would you deny me these
"little pointers"? Why would you tell me to get a book or a good course
and learn the bloody language first? And if I start asking questions
about how to hold the pen and paper to write the book, you won't
certainly tell me writing a best seller in greek is a waste of my time
and everybody's time. Sure.
> I believe old dogs can learn new tricks, and I like old dogs who try much
> more than ones who think their sh*t doesn't stink and growl whenever their
> get-thee-behind-me awesomeness is disturbed... Those dogs need a muzzle and
> cage where they can't hurt anyone but themselves.
>   
If that's your opinion you should definitely NOT come to Dabo list.
There people's questions are NEVER answered and newbies are NEVER helped
at all. What's more, I'd get out of the bloody ProFox list too. From
what I've seen, there is much less help there than in Dabo.


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