Well, I am not sure I would call it a nice example, but I am glad to hear that it does work.
I also added a second script that has a 'skinnier' look. Haven't had time to finish a video on that one yet. http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/http:/www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/BobTherriault/Visualize?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=vlitejwiki.ijs Cheers, bob On Feb 12, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Joe Bogner <joebog...@gmail.com> wrote: > bob, thanks again for sharing. It works really well and is also a nice JHS > example. > > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:08 PM, robert therriault > <bobtherria...@mac.com>wrote: > >> Thanks Pascal, >> >> Believe it or not I did simplify this quite a bit from where I originally >> was, based on you previous comments. I'll play around some more to see if I >> can slim it down further and still have it intuitive (which is actually one >> of the targets that I am aiming for in addition to the 'different things >> should display differently') >> >> I have attached the script of the simple test page to the wiki at >> >> http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/http%3A/www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/BobTherriault/Visualize?action=AttachFile >> >> If you want to play. >> >> Cheers, bob >> >> On Feb 11, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Pascal Jasmin <godspiral2...@yahoo.ca> wrote: >> >>> I like it. >>> >>> I'll restate my preference for simpler css. Using colour only if boxes >> aren't completely necessary (datatype). >>> >>> I understand the desire to deal with leading 0 shapes, but I think >> leading 1 shapes are what byte people/beginers the most. For instance >> assuming that }. and {: produce identical results with 2 elements. >>> >>> So, if there was a way to only box-decorate items when there is a >> leading 1 or 0 dimension, I think it would be very helpful without being as >> noisy. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: robert therriault <bobtherria...@mac.com> >>> To: Programming forum <programm...@jsoftware.com> >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:14:14 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] problem matching boxed string >>> >>> Thanks Raul, >>> >>> I am currently working on the boxing display and you are right, it does >> present some different challenges. My plan is to have the script on the >> wiki for general amusement later this afternoon. I have put this together >> as a way to see the results of the language in a way that I found more >> useful and it involves a mix of html, css and J, so as far as coding I >> think of myself as a hobbyist rather than a pro. >>> >>> It should not be hard to change the size of the empty spots and I think >> that is a really good idea. The nice thing about CSS is that you can change >> appearance across classes, although the complexity can avalanche when you >> start to decide how classes will display based on the context of other >> classes. >>> >>> Anyway, I will post when I have the script up on the jwiki. >>> >>> Cheers, bob >>> >>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This looks promising. >>>> >>>> I currently have two quibbles which you might want to reject: >>>> >>>> First, the additional markup seems to get in the way for some typical >>>> cases. I can see the need for leading 1 dimensions and embedded zero >>>> dimensions. I understand the idea of consistent display of information, >> but >>>> there's so much going on when arrays have no zeros or ones in their >> shape >>>> and I can't help but wonder if a reduced complexity presentation might >> be >>>> nice, at least as a later option? >>>> >>>> Second, when there are zeros in the shape, the placeholders are the same >>>> size and "shape" (ha ha, get it? shape... eh... maybe you had to be >> there) >>>> as when data is present. Maybe you could shrink the cell size for empty >>>> cells? >>>> >>>> I should also probably watch it again for how you display boxed data. >> One >>>> of my worries is that with so much decoration on "flat" arrays that >> boxing >>>> will get lost in the noise. >>>> >>>> That said, from a user point of view, I can totally imagine wanting to >> be >>>> able to customize this, and I can also imagine not wanting to touch it >> and >>>> wanting it to lead me off to some other page that shows me how to reason >>>> about it, and I can also imagine wanting to take the data and wanting to >>>> play with it and render it in other ways. So I guess also there are >> plenty >>>> of opportunities for the future. >>>> >>>> If I were a manager, though, I might want you to ship it right now, the >> way >>>> it is. >>>> >>>> Fortunately, you don't have to please me. I do not know what I would >> want >>>> if I were just starting. We need more beginners, and maybe that is >>>> something we can do something about, over the next few weeks and months. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Raul >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:21 AM, robert therriault >>>> <bobtherria...@mac.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just an update on the visualization of J results. >>>>> >>>>> I have done a second video/blog post on using CSS and HTML to display >>>>> results on JHS. It provides examples of a system that allows you to >>>>> distinguish between 1 $ 1 , 1 1 $1 , and 1 as well as displaying >> arrays >>>>> with zeros in the shape such as 0 1 $ 1 and 1 0 $ 1. >>>>> >>>>> Blog post is here: >>>>> >> http://bobtherriault.wordpress.com/2014/02/11/using-css-and-html-to-display-the-shapes-of-arrays-on-the-jhs-platform/?relatedposts_exclude=513 >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, bob >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 8:25 AM, robert therriault <bobtherria...@mac.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 5:29 AM, Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course you will also get an error if you try to combine one of >>>>>>> those with another array of the wrong shape. Error conditions are one >>>>>>> of the cases where I like getting the shapes of arrays. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sometimes the zeros can affect the result even though they can't be >> seen >>>>> in the display >>>>>> >>>>>> $ ( 0 2 3 $ 4), 5 7 $5 >>>>>> 1 5 7 >>>>>> $ (0 0 2 3 $ 4), 5 7 $5 >>>>>> 1 1 5 7 >>>>>> >>>>>> I am looking for ways to give the programmer some 'leverage' into >> these >>>>> situations by the ways that shapes are displayed >>>>>> >>>>>>> One of my favorite tricks, if I am getting an error from an >> expression >>>>>>> that seems to be due to of a lack of shapeliness (like a length >> error) >>>>>>> is to replace the last verb with $ (or a variation like ;&$ or $&.> >> or >>>>>>> ;&($ L:0) or whatever else). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And that brings up another issue related to finding the shapes of >>>>>>> things: the shape inside a box will typically be different from the >>>>>>> shape outside the box (these shapes are "independent" of each other). >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep, I am working on boxes at the moment and it is a challenge for >>>>> display while retaining the independent shape of contents. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, the shape of transitory arrays (intermediate results) can also >>>>>>> matter. So familiarity with debugging tools and techniques can be >>>>>>> crucial - sometimes even more important for coding than familiarity >>>>>>> with shape and rank issues. (These are not, properly speaking, a part >>>>>>> of the language itself so much as they are a part of the environment. >>>>>>> But that's something of a technicality.) >>>>>> >>>>>> No doubt. Display can't replace knowing how rank and shape work. I am >>>>> hoping that a little better way of displaying results will make it >> easier >>>>> to see the differences and may emphasize the importance of >> understanding >>>>> the concepts to those learning the language - that would be me! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, bob >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> For information about J forums see >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
