But beware that this can fail badly on text which contains contractions. FYI,
-- Raul On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:27 AM, 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming < [email protected]> wrote: > this often works btw > > quote ]&.;: ' a cd fgh k ' > 'a cd fgh k' > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kip Murray <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 9:21:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Design goals readability and writeability? > > Here's my attempt at "delete extra blanks". > > deb1 =: #~ ( 1 ,~ [: -. ' ' -:"1 (}: ,. }.) ) > deb1 'a cd fgh k' > a cd fgh k > > > On Monday, July 14, 2014, Linda Alvord <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Here's deb without @ and & > > > > deb > > #~ (+. (1: |. (> </\)))@(' '&~:) > > deb2 > > #~ ([: (+. (1 |. (> </\))) ' ' ~: ]) > > > > However it seems as though there should be a better explicit version > than: > > f=: 13 :'(#~[:(+. 1 |. (> </\)) '' ''~:])y' > > > > Linda > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] <javascript:;> [mailto: > > [email protected] <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of > > Linda Alvord > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 11:43 PM > > To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > > Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Design goals readability and writeability? > > > > I enjoyed your article: > > > > <"1 toupper"0>"0;:'alpha beta gamma' > > ┌─────┬─────┬─────┐ > > │ALPHA│BETA │GAMMA│ > > └─────┴─────┴─────┘ > > > > Linda > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] <javascript:;> [mailto: > > [email protected] <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of > Ian > > Clark > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 9:40 PM > > To: [email protected] <javascript:;> > > Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Design goals readability and writeability? > > > > "The alleged unreadability of J - and what to do about it" > > http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Vocabulary/Unreadability > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 11:43 PM, Don Kelly <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> > > wrote: > > > > > Absolutely!! > > > J suffers from the same problem as its precurser APL- in spades.. One > can > > > write very terse code because of its power. Often, 6 moths later the > > > original writer has to spend time interpreting what was written. I have > > > come up with some terse code and , more often terse code from others- > all > > > of which has been put in a utility script wrapped in comments so that > > when > > > I want to use it-I do have such guidance. This is something one has to > do > > > to a great extent with any programming language. It is even more > > important > > > with J tacit. > > > > > > Don Kelly > > > > > > > > > On 12/07/2014 11:44 AM, Don Guinn wrote: > > > > > >> Readability depends on a person's background. I can't read Chinese. > Does > > >> that mean it's not a readable language? > > >> > > >> When writing a program or a document one must assume some level of > > >> knowledge of the reader. J tends to assume readers have a greater > > >> knowledge > > >> of mathematics than most other programming languages require. > > >> > > >> But readability is a real problem. What is usually missing from many > > >> programs, especially J tacit, is the intent of something. Say I see > > >> something like this: > > >> > > >> < @ (({. + i.@{:)@[ { ] ) > > >> > > >> It would certainly help to have some idea what this is supposed to do. > > >> What > > >> its arguments are and what it returns. Documentation really helps. > > >> > > >> But J expressions can be intimidating. It has always bothered me that > I > > >> could attack a FORTRAN program spanning several pages comfortably. But > > a J > > >> program of just a few lines which do exactly the same thing is hard > for > > me > > >> to get into. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Erling Hellenäs < > > >> [email protected] <javascript:;>> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi all ! > > >>> > > >>> Yes, maybe we should all be concerned about writing readable code > > instead > > >>> of the shortest and most cryptic code? Maybe we should also write > > >>> writeable > > >>> code? Find a way to write that allows us to get the expressions right > > the > > >>> first time? > > >>> J is more of a notation than a language? The value of a notation is > > >>> determined by clarity, but also readability? Maybe readability and > > >>> writeability, in the sense I explained above, should get higher > > priority > > >>> as > > >>> design goals for our future J? > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> > > >>> Erling Hellenäs > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 2014-07-12 07:40, Raul Miller wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I would not generalize to higher rank arrays without a model of why > > I'd > > >>>> be > > >>>> using them. > > >>>> > > >>>> In other words, v=: {"_1 |:~&0 2 is probably good enough. > > >>>> > > >>>> There are some interesting contradictions here - while one needs to > be > > >>>> comfortable thinking mathematically to get decent performance out > of a > > >>>> system, usually what we are building is a mix of instant and delayed > > >>>> gratification and we usually assume our audience has no direct > > interest > > >>>> in > > >>>> the math we are performing (indirect interest, yes - sometimes). > > >>>> > > >>>> Often I think we go overboard, and we should throw back in some > > exposure > > >>>> to > > >>>> some of the more robust concepts (especially for the kids, so they > > have > > >>>> something interesting to play with). But professional adults tend to > > be > > >>>> under a lot of time pressure, and as a result their needs often seem > > to > > >>>> be > > >>>> a mix of the very basic and the childish. > > >>>> > > >>>> Meanwhile, it seems like anything worthwhile takes time and effort. > > >>>> > > >>>> Anyways, professional software design often centers around use cases > > and > > >>>> similar models which are aimed at extracting the important concepts > > >>>> about > > >>>> what people need to get done and how they want to work. And that > kind > > of > > >>>> information is what you need if you are going to properly generalize > > >>>> application code. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks, > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > >>> > > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
