I'm not sure what you are pointing out but:

[ `(1 ar)`]

and

[`1`]

should produce different results - 1 is not the same as the AR of 1.

 (1 ar)`>:  (1 : 'u y')

and

 (<(,'0');1),<'>:' (1 : 'u y')

are different, because of missing () in the second case.

Henry Rich




On 1/3/2017 11:14 PM, 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming wrote:
The problem that I originally reported is with "internal" lr, as a verb that is 
functional, cannot be reassigned to its LR.

ar =: 1 : '5!:1 <''u'''

[ `(1 ar)`]}

is not the same as this result

[`1`]}

though actual lr does not try to get as fancy with substituting `


   lr  ] ` (1 ar) ` ]
(<,']'),(<(,'0');1),<,']'

   lr [`1:`]
;:'[1:]'

the same bug happens with ^:

but it doesn't happen with the `: family or /

a different bug happens with explicit adverbs

  (1 ar)`>:  (1 : 'u y')
(<(,'0');1),<'>:' (1 : 'u y')

should be

((<(,'0');1),<'>:') 1 : 'u y'

   ((<(,'0');1),<'>:') 1 : 'u y'  NB. bug is reintroduced.
(<(,'0');1),<'>:' (1 : 'u y')

----- Original Message -----
From: Henry Rich <henryhr...@gmail.com>
To: programm...@jsoftware.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] fixed tacit produces an error when reassigned

Operands to modifiers such as m}, ^:n, m`, and `n are flagged if they
are recognized as gerunds.

This seems to me to be a mistake for m` and `n: they should not be
flagged until the derived adverb has been executed.  The problem you
report is that m/n are interpreted as if they had come from converting a
noun to an AR, rather than as a noun in themselves.

But Roger said it was an error in 5!:5.  When Roger diagnoses a problem
differently from me, I assume I am wrong.  I'll have to go think about it.

In the meantime, you can consider whether there would be a problem with
delaying the recognition of m` and `n until the derived verb is executed.

Henry Rich



On 1/3/2017 11:18 AM, Jose Mario Quintana wrote:
Sorry, I pressed the wrong button and my previous message was incomplete;
this should have been the full message:

I am afraid it is the superbug that has been discovered and rediscovered a
few times; see [0, 1, 2 and 3].

References

[0] [Jprogramming] Table of Verbs, Jose Mario Quintana
      http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2013-April/032358.html

[1] [Jprogramming] tacit adverb, Dan Bron
      http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2012-February/027341.html

[2] [Jgeneral] Looks like a bug in "., Dan Bron
      http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/general/2009-August/033231.html

[3] [Jprogramming] Linear Representation Bug?, Roger Hui
      http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2009-August/016011.html


On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Jose Mario Quintana <
jose.mario.quint...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am afraid it is the superbug that has been discovered and rediscovered a
few times; see [0, 1, 2 and 3].


References

[0] [Jprogramming] Table of Verbs, Jose Mario Quintana
      http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2013-April/032358.html

[1] [Jprogramming] tacit adverb, Dan Bron
      http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2012-February
/027341.html

[2] [Jgeneral] Looks like a bug in "., Dan Bron
      http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/general/2009-August/033231.html


On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 10:12 AM, 'Pascal Jasmin' via Programming <
programm...@jsoftware.com> wrote:

This file works j804 and j805, when copied and run with F8, you may need
to fix newlines




NB.---------------------------------------------------------
-------------------
NB. Wicked Tacit Toolkit...
NB.---------------------------------------------------------
-------------------

NB. Load it using 0!:0 or similar or
NB. paste it on an J editing window and use Crtl-A Crtl-E or
NB. of course, load it using a hot key (or replace '=.' by '=:' if you
must)

NB. A word is a noun, verb, adverb or conjunction


(_ o=. @:) (c=. "_) (e=. &.>) (x=. @:[) (y=. @])

an=.  <@:((,'0') ,&< ])          NB. Atomizing words (monadic verb)

Cloak=. (0:`)(,^:)               NB. Cloaking (the atomic representaions
of)
NB. adverbs or conjunctions as monadic or
NB. dyadic verbs (adv)
Cloak=. ((5!:1)@:<'Cloak')Cloak  NB. Cloak verbing itself! (monadic ver)

'amper at evoke fix rank tie'=. Cloak o < e o ;: '& @: `: f. " `'
NB. Verbing some adverbs and conjunctions

train=. (evoke&6) :. an f.       NB. (`:6) with a convinient obverse
NB. (monadic verb)
box=. (< o train "0) f.          NB. Boxing primitives and pro-words
NB. (monadic verb)

af=. an o fix

(a0=. `'') (a1=. (@:[) ((<'&')`) (`:6)) (a2=. (`(<(":0);_)) (`:6))
av=. ((af'a0')`)  (`(af'a1')) (`(af'a2') ) (`:6)
NB. Adverbing a monadic verb (adv)
assert 1 4 9 -: 1 2 3 *: adv

aw=. < o ((0;1;0)&{::)  NB. Fetching the atomic representation

u (a3=. (o (train o aw f.)) ('av'f.)) (a4=. "_)

adv=. train o ((af'a4') ; ] ; (af'a3')"_) f.av
assert 1 4 9 -: 1 2 3      *:                                adv
assert 6     -: *          (,^:(0:`(<'/')))                  adv 1 2 3
assert 0 1 3 -: (*:`(+/\)) (train f. o (0&{ , (<'-') , 1&{)) adv 1 2 3

a3=. (o (aw f.)) ('av'f.)

Adv=. (train f. @:) (train o ((af'a4') ; ] ; (af'a3')"_) f.av)
assert 1 4 9 -: 1 2 3      ((<'*:') ; ]   )                   Adv
assert 6     -: *          (< , ((<'/')"_))                   Adv 1 2 3
assert 0 1 3 -: (*:`(+/\)) (0&{ , (<'-') , 1&{)@:(('';1)&{::) Adv 1 2 3

Ver=. Cloak o af f. NB. Verbing after fixing a pro-adverb or
pro-conjunction
NB. (monadic verb)
ver=. Cloak o an f. NB. Verbing after fixing an adverb or conjunction
NB. (monadic verb)

NB. Defining cv in terms of itself...
cv=. ((rank&_) o < o train)f.adv (>@:)     NB. First version
cv=. (train f. cv at (<x rank _ c)) f.adv  NB. Constant verb
u ( cv=. (  >cv at (<x rank _ c)) f.adv )
NB. Constant word (adv)
NB. (cv is to words as c is to nouns)
assert (CRLF cv _) -: CRLF
assert (u   cv _) <adv -: u   <adv
assert (!@# cv _) <adv -: !@# <adv
assert (< o ((Ver'cv') o train <'/') _) -: ( < o train (<'/'))
assert (< o ((Ver'cv') o train <'"') _) -: ( < o train (<'"'))


NB. Fetch and From...
pointers=. (<: o - o i.)`i. @.(0<])

Fetch=. (] amper {:: cv)e o pointers f.adv  NB. Verbs mnemonics pointers
NB. (e.g., ( 'u0 u1 u2 u3'=. 4 Fetch ) j ( 'v0 v1 v2 v3'=. _4 Fetch ) )

assert (< o train  3 Fetch) -: ( 0&({::)  1&({::)  2&({::)) (< adv)
assert (< o train _3 Fetch) -: (_3&({::) _2&({::) _1&({::)) (< adv)

From=.  (] amper {   cv)e o pointers f.adv  NB. Verbs mnemonics pointers
NB. From=.  (] ([ amper train y)(({  `'')c))e o i. f. adv
NB. (e.g., ( 'u0 u1 u2 u3'=. 4 From ) j ( 'v0 v1 v2 v3'=. _4 From ) )

assert (< o train  3 From ) -: ( 0&{      1&{      2&{     ) (<adv)
assert (< o train _3 From ) -: (_3&{     _2&{     _1&{     ) (<adv)

Left=.  (at [cv)e f.adv
Right=. (at ]cv)e f.adv

mRS=. (`'') (<&.:train f.av) (`,)(`])            (`:6) (train f. @:
)(&:(an f.))
NB. Monadic recursion scope
assert    (1 + (1:`(* $:@<:)@.*)         mRS  4) -: 25  NB. Factorial
fixed
dRS=. (`'') (<&.:train f.av) (`,) (`]) (,`) ([`) (`:6) (train f. @:
)(&:(an f.))
NB. Dyadic recursion scope
assert (3 (1 + (1:`(%~ * $:&:<:)@.(*@:[))dRS) 7) -: 36  NB. Binomial fixed


mRS is properly assigned and works as intended from file,


mRS
((((((`'')(((`'')(&(<&.:(,^:(0:``:)&6 :.(<@:((,'0') ,&<
])))@:[)))((`_)(`:6))))(`,))(`]))(`:6))(,^:(0:``:)&6 :.(<@:((,'0') ,&<
]))@:))(&:(<@:((,'0') ,&< ])))

but trying to to assign it to this linear representation produces a
syntax error

mRS =: ((((((`'')(((`'')(&(<&.:(,^:(0:``:)&6 :.(<@:((,'0') ,&<
])))@:[)))((`_)(`:6))))(`,))(`]))(`:6))(,^:(0:``:)&6 :.(<@:((,'0') ,&<
]))@:))(&:(<@:((,'0') ,&< ])))
|syntax error



is this a bug in linear representation? is it directly assignable?
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