I think you might be projecting your own motivational structure onto other people? (Our own point of view is, after all, our basis for understanding others. Or, at least, that's a theory sometimes worth considering.)
Personally, I tend to air reviewing of basics a lot because I find reviewing basics a useful exercise for myself. I am occasionally surprised when the rare individual reminds me that some people take that as indicating hostile and/or negative intent. (But, in my experience, *any* activity or expression will have someone who takes that as indicating hostile and/or negative intent. So, technically speaking, I suppose I should not be surprised.) -- Raul On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 4:58 AM, Erling Hellenäs <[email protected]> wrote: > Many people here have a habit of giving long lectures to people about things > they already know to make it appear like they are totally stupid and they > themselves are very clever and are teaching this stupid person even the most > basic things. /Erling > > > On 2017-10-08 01:25, Don Guinn wrote: >> >> I don't think that it works like you would expect. >> >> (p , 0 $ p =: ]) 'erling' >> erling >> p >> ] >> (p , 0 $ 'p' =: ]) 'erling' >> erling >> p >> ] >> (p , 0 $ 'p' =: ]) >> p , 0 $ ] >> 4 !:0 <'p' >> 3 >> >> Turns out that "p" is a verb who's value is "]", as you would expect. And >> of course the result of the expression is the right argument. >> >> (p , 1 $ p =: ]) 'erling' >> erlinge >> >> But as you can see the assignment disappears. The test above shows that >> both "p"s select the right argument. >> >> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Erling Hellenäs <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all ! >>> >>> I was trying to understand how thecopula verbs =..and=:: works in tacit >>> expressions. >>> >>> (p , 0 $ 'p' =.. ]) 'erling' >>> |value error: p >>> | (p,0$'p'=..])'erling' >>> ('p' =.. ]) 'erling' >>> erling >>> >>> (p , 0 $ 'p' =.. ]) 'erling' >>> erling >>> (p , 0 $ 'p' =.. ]) 'fredrik' >>> erling >>> (p , 0 $ 'p' =.. ]) 'fredrik' >>> fredrik >>> (p , 0 $ 'p' =.. ]) >>> 'fredrik' , 0 $ 'p' =.. ] >>> >>> I wonder if it is really useful in tacit expressions, and in that case, >>> how it can be used. >>> It is only used to set variables outside of the expressions, not to use >>> the variables in the expressions? >>> Useful in for example debugging? >>> >>> This is from the documentation: >>> "The copula verbs =..and=:: are similar to their corresponding copulas >>> but >>> are syntactically dyadic verbs and may be embedded in tacit expressions." >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Erling Hellenäs >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2017-10-07 16:09, Erling Hellenäs wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all! >>>> >>>> We are micro-blogging about Jx here. https://twitter.com/erlheldata >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Erling Hellenäs >>>> >>>> On 2017-10-06 17:01, 'Mike Day' via Programming wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, BIll >>>>> I probably knew that route sometime in the past. >>>>> >>>>> Just in case someone else needs to know, this is what I've actually >>>>> done. This is for Windows 10, as I said earlier:- >>>>> >>>>> - "create shortcut" from each of the "shortcuts" seen in the Windows >>>>> "desktop" (as installed for jqt and jconsole) >>>>> - rename each according to taste >>>>> - edit the "target" shown in their "properties" dialogue, >>>>> according to your suggestion, but with full pathname for >>>>> "jx.dll", >>>>> in my case: C:\d\j806\bin\jqt.exe -lib C:\d\j806\bin\jx.dll >>>>> >>>>> Pace Thomas Costigliola, I had tried duplicating the whole >>>>> installation, >>>>> but that's rather greedy for space! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks to both, >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> PS - should debug work under JQt with jx.dll ? >>>>> CTRL-K invokes a domain error for me: >>>>> |domain error: script >>>>> >>>>> | FRINGEBORDER=: (<0 0 0 1)"0 FRINGECOLOR >>>>> >>>>> |[-4849] c:\d\j806\addons\debug\dissect\dissect.ijs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> clicking instead on Run/Debug results in >>>>> >>>>> |value error: jdebug_run >>>>> >>>>> | jdebug_run 0 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> M >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 06/10/2017 03:46, bill lam wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Rename the jx j.dll as jx.dll, then type >>>>>> jconsole -lib jx.dll >>>>>> jqt -lib jx.dll >>>>>> >>>>>> Or rename the official j.dll depending which one will become your >>>>>> favorite. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 5, 2017 5:29 PM, "'Mike Day' via Programming" < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> OK - I've got the Jx 1.1 j.dll and the various accessory information, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> suppose I want >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to try jx and compare it with the "orthodox" J806? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you advocate setting up a complete "JX" installation parallel with >>>>>>> J806 >>>>>>> (or J805 ...), >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or can it somehow share those orthodox folder/s, given that j.dll is >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> only difference? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30/09/2017 22:27, Jose Mario Quintana wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jx 1.1 Release >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A Jx v1.1 Extensions Guide, a J/Jx Cheatsheet, a Jx Assertions >>>>>>>> script >>>>>>>> together with links to a Windows 64 bit dll, a Unix 64 bit so >>>>>>>> binaries >>>>>>>> (without avx support) and the patch corresponding to the J806 source >>>>>>>> (beta-6) can be found at the link [0]. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Summary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Primitives >>>>>>>> Added =.. =:: $:: [. ]. ]: ".. `. &:.(*) ?:(*) i.. O. >>>>>>>> Extended ~ $. >>>>>>>> Modified " (*) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Foreign >>>>>>>> Added 104!:5 Unnamed Execution 102!:0/1 In-place >>>>>>>> Amend/Append >>>>>>>> (*) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Trains >>>>>>>> a v Added >>>>>>>> a a Extended >>>>>>>> c a Resurrected and extended (*) >>>>>>>> a c a Resurrected and extended (*) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Spelling >>>>>>>> Names with Unicode characters >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (*) New Jx 1.1 feature >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This release introduces a modified primitive (") and, in theory, for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> first time an incompatibility vs the official J counterpart (J806 >>>>>>>> beta-6) >>>>>>>> ; >>>>>>>> however, in practice, it is highly unlikely to break any existent >>>>>>>> code and >>>>>>>> doubters have an opportunity to test their code. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is a simple 1-decade-old example [1], >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ]`|."1 i.5 6 >>>>>>>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 >>>>>>>> 11 10 9 8 7 6 >>>>>>>> 12 13 14 15 16 17 >>>>>>>> 23 22 21 20 19 18 >>>>>>>> 24 25 26 27 28 29 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See also the threads [2, 3] for recent discussions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The rank of the verb ?: has been changed to 0 0 0 to make it easier >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> use. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Three venerable facilities are released: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - The conjunction (&:.), for the motivation, see the post [4] (see >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> post [5] both, its reference and the embedded discussion for similar >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> recent ideas). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - 102!:0/1 In-place Amend/Append, be very careful (see [6]); if you >>>>>>>> do not >>>>>>>> know what to expect, play with their corresponding models instead. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PS. There are a couple of other goodies which will be documented >>>>>>>> later. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> References >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [0] Jx 1.1 Release >>>>>>>> http://www.2bestsystems.com/foundation/j/jx1.1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] [Jprogramming] zig-zag order Oleg Kobchenko >>>>>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2006-Novembe >>>>>>>> r/004188.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [2] [Jprogramming] How m"n shoulda been defined Henry Rich >>>>>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2015-August/ >>>>>>>> 042512.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [3] [Jprogramming] Jx version 1.0 release Henry Rich >>>>>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2017-August/ >>>>>>>> 048124.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [4] [Jforum] Wasted intermediate values Jose Mario Quintana >>>>>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/general/2003-March/014488.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [5] [Jprogramming] Fold/reduce with initial value? R.E. 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