Skip, this may help you with your preferred display.

I believe it used to be possible to configure box display (whether to have 
top/bottom of boxes etc), but I think that was deprecated instead to allow box 
drawing characters as an 11 item list, which is available through the foreign 
conjunction 9!:6 (to view) and 9!:7 (to set), for example:

   9!:6’’                               NB. This is the 11 element vector of 
box drawing chars
┌┬┐├┼┤└┴┘│─

   9!:7 '|' 9}11${.a.           NB. I now set this to ‘………|.’ (Where the ‘.’ Is 
a null which is {.a.)

   9!:6''
|                                       NB. This is an 11 item vector, but all 
box chars except the separator are nulls
   $9!:6''
11

   ]m=.'abc';'rtyuio';'b';'asdf';'wdrtybji';'ee';'nuko';'n'

|abc|rtyuio|b|asdf|wdrtybji|ee|nuko|n|

NB. The output above is 3 lines (first line is a list of nulls, second line is 
delimited boxes, 3rd line is a list of nulls)

NB. So only the separators appear (it displays ‘aligned’  in the example below 
in my session and font, but unlikely to appear this way in email).

   2 4$m

|abc     |rtyuio|b   |asdf|

|wdrtybji|ee    |nuko|n   |


Maybe it’s close enough for you to use.

Rob

> On 8 Jul 2020, at 9:59 am, Skip Cave <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Hauke for your reply. That helped me see how to proceed.
> 
> I mentioned that it would still be nice to have a simple way to remove the
> horizontal and corner box characters for times when presenting J in venues
> where fixed-width or unicode fonts are not available.
> 
> 
> Here's what i mean:
> 
> m=.'abc';'rtyuio';'b';'asdf';'wdrtybji';'ee';'nuko';'n'
> 
> Not this:
> 
> m
> 
> ┌───┬──────┬─┬────┬────────┬──┬────┬─┐
> 
> │abc│rtyuio│b│asdf│wdrtybji│ee│nuko│n│
> 
> └───┴──────┴─┴────┴────────┴──┴────┴─┘
> 
> 
> But this:
> 
> m
> 
> │abc│rtyuio│b│asdf│wdrtybji│ee│nuko│n│
> 
> 
> 
> Not this:
> 
> 2 4$m
> 
> ┌────────┬──────┬────┬────┐
> 
> │abc │rtyuio│b │asdf│
> 
> ├────────┼──────┼────┼────┤
> 
> │wdrtybji│ee │nuko│n │
> 
> └────────┴──────┴────┴────┘
> 
> 
> But this:
> 
> 2 4$m
> 
> │abc│rtyuio│b│asdf│
> 
> │wdrtybji│ee│nuko│n│
> 
> 
> As a format option.
> 
> 
> Skip Cave
> Cave Consulting LLC
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 12:44 PM Hauke Rehr <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Skip,
>> 
>> this is how I would try to achieve what you’re after
>> 
>>    ] suits =: u: 9824 9827 9829 9830
>> ♠♣♥♦
>>    ;/ values =: (3 2 $ ' J Q K') , ": >: i. 10 1
>> ┌──┬──┬──┬──┬──┬──┬──┬──┬──┬──┬──┬──┬──┐
>> │ J│ Q│ K│ 1│ 2│ 3│ 4│ 5│ 6│ 7│ 8│ 9│10│
>> └──┴──┴──┴──┴──┴──┴──┴──┴──┴──┴──┴──┴──┘
>>    deck =: ,/ values ,"1/ ":"0 suits
>>    _4 <\ deck
>> ┌───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┐
>> │ J♠│ Q♠│ K♠│ 1♠│ 2♠│ 3♠│ 4♠│ 5♠│ 6♠│ 7♠│ 8♠│ 9♠│10♠│
>> │ J♣│ Q♣│ K♣│ 1♣│ 2♣│ 3♣│ 4♣│ 5♣│ 6♣│ 7♣│ 8♣│ 9♣│10♣│
>> │ J♥│ Q♥│ K♥│ 1♥│ 2♥│ 3♥│ 4♥│ 5♥│ 6♥│ 7♥│ 8♥│ 9♥│10♥│
>> │ J♦│ Q♦│ K♦│ 1♦│ 2♦│ 3♦│ 4♦│ 5♦│ 6♦│ 7♦│ 8♦│ 9♦│10♦│
>> └───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┘
>> 
>> deck is pretty much your all in
>> 4 13$(52?52){all
>> As long as you don’t do any boxing, you won’t
>> need to get rid of boxing characters.
>> You can always insert | characters manually, though.
>> If you feel like they make the dealt hands more readable.
>> 
>> Am 07.07.20 um 18:45 schrieb Skip Cave:
>>> The four suit symbols I was using were from a. 3 4 5 6{a.
>>> 
>>> These symbols are not the same width as the character symbols in a. so
>> they
>>> mess up the boxing characters.
>>> 
>>> ;/3 4 5 6{a.
>>> 
>>> (My email fonts don't have the a. symbols)
>>> 
>>> ┌─┬─┬─┬─┐
>>> 
>>> │ │ │ │ │
>>> 
>>> └─┴─┴─┴─┘
>>> 
>>> I discovered that the unicode suit symbols u: 9824 9827 9829 9830
>>> 
>>> are smaller, and seem to have the standard width:
>>> 
>>> ;/u:9824 9827 9829 9830
>>> 
>>> ┌─┬─┬─┬─┐
>>> 
>>> │♠│♣│♥│♦│
>>> 
>>> └─┴─┴─┴─┘
>>> 
>>> So that solves the width problem when boxing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The other issue I had with seemingly random spaces in the cards in a
>> random
>>> deal was caused by my four 10 cards (10 of spades, hearts. etc) having
>>> three characters instead of two. J cleverly distributes spaces across
>> each
>>> boxes' content to make the boxes align. However, the seemingly random
>>> distribution of spaces confused my diagnosis.
>>> 
>>> J distributes spaces across all the cells to make the boxes align for
>>> variable width contents. This exacerbates the issue with the non-standard
>>> widths of the a. font. However, the fixed-width unicode symbols
>> eliminates
>>> the issue, though it might be better if the spaces were inserted before
>> or
>>> after the characters, rather than placed in the middle.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 4 13$(52?52){all
>>> 
>>> ┌───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┬───┐
>>> 
>>> │10♠│9 ♣│K ♥│3 ♣│J ♦│4 ♠│4 ♦│2 ♠│6 ♥│3 ♠│K ♦│Q ♥│J ♣│
>>> 
>>> ├───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┤
>>> 
>>> │5 ♥│5 ♠│9 ♥│Q ♠│7 ♦│5 ♣│3 ♥│10♦│8 ♦│J ♥│4 ♣│9 ♦│6 ♣│
>>> 
>>> ├───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┤
>>> 
>>> │8 ♣│J ♠│A ♣│7 ♣│Q ♦│6 ♦│10♣│K ♣│A ♥│2 ♥│A ♠│4 ♥│9 ♠│
>>> 
>>> ├───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┼───┤
>>> 
>>> │7 ♠│3 ♦│5 ♦│Q ♣│8 ♥│2 ♦│10♥│A ♦│K ♠│7 ♥│2 ♣│8 ♠│6 ♠│
>>> 
>>> └───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┴───┘
>>> 
>>> It would probably be better for me to use the character 'T' instead of
>> 10,
>>> so all the cards would have two characters.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Finally, it would still be nice to have a simple way to remove the
>>> horizontal and corner box characters for times when presenting J in
>> venues
>>> where fixed-width or unicode fonts are not available.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Skip Cave
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:20 AM Raul Miller <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If the fixed width font has variable width characters, that's not a
>>>> bug in J, that's a problem with the font.
>>>> 
>>>> One approach would be to rebuild the font's characters, enforcing a
>>>> fixed width format. Doing this requires access to either suitable
>>>> tools, or sufficient documentation on the font's data structures so
>>>> that you can build your own tools.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Raul
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 11:10 AM Skip Cave <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> When working in JQT with some of the non-standard-width characters in
>> a.,
>>>>> the boxing formatting is incorrect.
>>>>> Here's a link to a screenshot (.png) of my code in JQT attempting to
>>>> create
>>>>> all the 13 playing cards in 4 suits. https://bit.ly/2BD6LEQ
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As you can see, the horizontal boxing characters are incorrect, and
>> don't
>>>>> adjust for the wider characters, even though I'm using a fixed-width
>>>> font.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the second part of the example, I randomly deal 4 hands from the
>> deck
>>>>> labeled 'all'.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At this point, we have 4 hands of 13 cards, but there are random spaces
>>>>> scattered in the boxed cards.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Something went wrong, adding spaces after the random deal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the third part, I remove all the horizontal boxing, making the
>> display
>>>>> look much neater, but the extra spaces are even more visible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Two issues:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Something is inserting random spaces when randomly selecting boxed
>>>> items.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. It would be nice to have the boxing auto-adjust for variable width
>>>>> characters. If that isn't possible, it would be useful to have a boxing
>>>>> format option to remove horizontal boxing & corner characters for
>>>>> environments that don't have fixed-with fonts, that use
>>>> non-standard-width
>>>>> characters, or that force double-spaced lines (Quora). After posting J
>>>>> problems and solutions in various venues, it turns out that the
>> vertical
>>>>> bar (│) without horizontal bars or corners, is quite enough to clearly
>>>>> delineate separate items in most cases.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Skip Cave
>>>>> Cave Consulting LLC
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