Isaac Gouy wrote: IG> I'm not interested in squabbling about how arbitrary and stupid that is
What a strange coincidence. I was responding to your new comments on http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/DanBron/Naive?action=diff&rev2=22&rev1=19 when I saw this message come in. I'm glad you joined the Forum. Since you're here now, I think I'll take the discussion off that page. Any further comments can be posted here. But not by me. I think this will be my last comment on the matter. Even as I was composing my response on the Wiki, I could tell the discussion was just going in circles, and wouldn't get us anywhere but annoyed. IG> it is what it is, take it or leave it. Agreed. And, AFAICT the consensus is "leave it". At least, Raul's recent message expressed my feelings well in http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2007-December/008982.html : RM> In my opinion, benchmarks [like Alioth] can only be meaningful RM> when considering different implementations of the same underlying RM> language. (I hope I haven't put words in his mouth by substituting my bracketed comment for his original language) Alioth benchmarks something, and it's clear what that something is, but it's not clear (to me), that benchmarking that something is useful. It certainly isn't answering the question(s) I'd ask about different programming languages. Of course, I understand _why_ Alioth benchmarks what it does: you can only benchmark what you can measure, and it is clear how to objectively measure speed and parsimony (code size is fuzzier). I guess all I'm saying is that it would be much harder to measure the advantages J provides to me. But that doesn't mean I'm willing to "settle" for Alioth; those metrics aren't even on the same axis. Project Euler comes closer, and I am not surprised that APL/J/K are on the leaderboard there (nor am I surprised that pencil & paper often beat them out, despite having a much, much slower "compiler"). I have more to say, but I think I'll skip it. As I said, I doubt this discussion will be fruitful, and I doubt that I will reply to further messages on the subject (even replies to this one). -Dan -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Computer-Language-Benchmarks-Game-tf4922865s24193.html#a14202795 Sent from the J Programming mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
