Oops my bad,

I think this is more appropriate for chat so I've posted over there [1].

Cheers, bob

[1] http://jsoftware.com/pipermail/chat/2010-November/004007.html

On 2010-11-22, at 9:25 AM, bob therriault wrote:

> Thanks for the mention Dan,
> 
> I've just added a more detailed (though shorter :)  ) screencast of the 
> Reflexive Adverb [1]
> Comments and feedback is always welcome. I see the current efforts as 
> explorations. 
> 
> At some point in the future, the resources may need to be brought together 
> for a more integrated approach to education/advocating/evangelising the use 
> of the J programming language. This doesn't mean I think the existing 
> resources (labs, demos etc.) aren't amazing, but rather they might be 
> enriched with the technologies that are now available.
> 
> Cheers, bob
> 
> [1] Reflexive Adverb
> http://bobtherriault.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/reflexive-adverb-monadic/
> 
> On 2010-11-21, at 5:15 PM, Dan Bron wrote:
> 
>> Ian wrote:
>>> can't believe [a tacit-to-explicit translator]
>>> hasn't been done already.
>> 
>> It is not so surprising.  When you want it, you cannot make it. And when you
>> can make it, you no longer want it.
>> 
>> For the subset that can make it and still want it, it is somewhat difficult
>> to remember exactly what you wanted.  For example, where is it appropriate
>> to cut a tacit one-liner into smaller chunks to be distributed among several
>> lines in the resulting explicit definition?  Certainly not at every @ .
>> Etc.
>> 
>> On my J todo list for several years has been a J "coach" similar to the
>> "Regex Buddy" at [1].  I've just never got up the initiative to do it.  On a
>> more promising front, Bob Therriault has recently been building web videos
>> that demonstrate certain J primitives and tacit expressions graphically [2].
>> 
>> Personally, I learned tacit by writing, rather than reading, a lot of it.
>> J's default interface encourages this habit; it is productive & fun to build
>> programs in the IJX window, which effectively limits you to one line.  Using
>> IJSes & flipping back and forth was enough of an additional friction that I
>> never developed a taste for explicit code and its multiple lines.  But
>> having written enough, I also find tacit easy to read.  Whether it's easier
>> or harder than explicit (or than Java, or English, etc) depends on the
>> application.
>> 
>> -Dan
>> 
>> [1] Regex Buddy:  http://www.regexbuddy.com/regex.html
>> [2] Bob's animated explanation of J adverbs:
>> http://bobtherriault.wordpress.com/2010/11/17/those-tricky-adverbs/ 
>> 
>> 
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