Thanks for cross-posting from Twitter. As others have mentioned, a hash tag would be a welcome aid.
I note that another co-founder of Extreme Programming is Ward Cunningham. In an old post - At 11:35 AM -0700 06/04/25, Joey K Tuttle wrote: >I attended an event at the Computer History Museum last evening - > > http://www.computerhistory.org/events/index.php?id=1142977295 > >as seen in the above link, it was a dialog between John Gage >(one of the pioneers of Sun) and Ward Cunningham, inventor >of wiki - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Cunningham > >It was an engaging and interesting talk, well worth the drive >and time (not to mention that CHM provides a very nice wine >reception before such talks). The reason for bringing it up >in this forum is that Ward was talking about his love of >programming languages and after waxing enthusiastic about >Small Talk and talking about OOP, he went on to say that he >had never really mastered LISP because he agreed with others >that it was a "building material" not a programming language. > >I was quite surprised when the next thing he said was, "And >then there is APL and J." He went on to extoll the power >and beauty of J and say fairly relevant and accurate things >about how it came to be. I was even more surprised that it >got mentioned at least 3 or 4 more times in the course of >the session - at one point John Gage countered with some >snippy remarks about write-only programming languages and >discussions he had over the years with John Gilmore where >Gilmore would brag about APL and Gage said he would challenge >him with how long after he had written APL "poetry" that he >could still remember or figure out what it did. Clearly Gage >is one of those people who think one should be able to >understand an insight in a language they have no facility >with -- Like me trying to groke Chinese poetry - I wouldn't >expect to without a lot of work, but such analogies seem to >fall on deaf ears... > >After the talk, I asked Ward if he had visited the J wiki >and he said he had not but was pleased to hear that it >existed and would have a look at it. There were more people >in the audience who reacted to his comments about J than >there were who responded to a requested show of hands of >Small Talk programmers. > >Nice to see such interest and have J get such mentions. > >- joey At 1:45 PM -0500 11/01/21, Dan Bron wrote: >Ron Jefferies, famous for (co-)founding the Extreme Programming methodology >[1], has recently taken up an interest in J (thanks to Tracy Harm's >understated promotion): > > > > >http://xprogramming.com/articles/j-working-with-henry-richs-example/ > > > >He's clearly intrigued and powering his way through those first painful >days. BTW, the article reminded me of {~^:a: which I find a startling >example of J's power, brevity, and beauty (transitive closure in 6 ASCII >characters). > > > >-Dan > > > >[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Jeffries > > > >PS: There is a growing community of J users on Twitter, and it's starting >to compete with these Forums in terms of J activity. Twitter (and >particularly Tracy on Twitter) is also how J is winning some recent >recruits, Ron Jefferies among them (another high-profile software guy, Lau >Jensen, also found us this way). Anyone who's interested in J might want to >take a look (even if only to watch - it's how I learned about this article, >for example). > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
