Francis, J (which costs >$500 less than its nearest competitors) is documented by its users. All the best novice material, any product, gets written by (recent) novices. In the nature of things, novices can't get to work until there's a stable release, which for j701 only happened this year.
IMO there is no shortage of J entry-level stuff. Trouble is, none of it is fully debugged, which has to be done using... novices! Some of the good stuff is hard to find. http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/ is IMO actually the best place to start. Google searches the site far better than anything site-search can manage. But that's true for the Microsoft knowledge-base too -- and has been so for the last 10 years. Soon you learn to search the site on people's names. Work thru http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/CategoryHomepage (it'll only take ten minutes) and make a list of your favourite contributors, and what they're good at. Unsurprisingly their ease-of-comprehension by novices tends to vary inversely with their expertise (there are exceptions). Some you grow into. I'll pm you with my personal gurus if you ask me to, but I haven't the gall to do so here. On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 1:59 AM, Francis Lambrechts <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, > > J602/701 are fantastic products but it is frustrating to follow > the "good idea" below. > > http://www.jsoftware.com/docs/help701/user/relhigh.htm > "701 J Front End (JFE) changes are revolutionary! > Previously the primary JFE was based on Jsoftware's proprietary > WD (window driver). > 701 abandons WD. > J Engine change makes it relatively easy to completely write a > JFE in J. This has enabled the development of two new J front > ends. > The first is JHS (J HTTP Server) where a browser is the front > end. > The second is JGTK which is based on the GTK+ portable library > for creating graphical user interfaces. > Get Going > J has a console interface called jconsole and a GUI interface > called jhs. Use jhs for an easier introduction to both standard > and new features. > "Whether you are new to J or an old hand, it is a good idea to > start by exploring the jhs menu. Browse help to get an idea of > what is there and how to navigate." > > So i tried to find something about "jhs menu" or "jhs" in the > Site Search > 1. lots of unusable "Add on" references for a beginner > 2. "jhs start" gives something > http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/NYCJUG/2011-02-08/HelloWorldInJHS > How true : " We sometimes get blinded by something we think is > trivial and forget to tell others about the initial steps > needed." > 3. in http://www.jsoftware.com/help/index/j.htm the f3-find does > not work on that page ... how could you find "jhs" in such a long > page? > 4. Wow ... not even a search here too ? > http://jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/ > > You did a great job with J701 and i hope you can improve the > access to beginners. > I'm not going to give up. > > Another detail "C:\Program Files\J701\bin\jhs.bat" seems not > working ... is it due to the custom installation ? > > Good luck anyway > -- > Francis, Brussel > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
