Thanks for the answer Ian. I'm going to progress that way. Some more info in my answer to Bill Lam. -- Francis
On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 02:58 +0100, "Ian Clark" <[email protected]> wrote: > Francis, > > J (which costs >$500 less than its nearest competitors) is documented > by its users. All the best novice material, any product, gets written > by (recent) novices. In the nature of things, novices can't get to > work until there's a stable release, which for j701 only happened this > year. > > IMO there is no shortage of J entry-level stuff. Trouble is, none of > it is fully debugged, which has to be done using... novices! Some of > the good stuff is hard to find. http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/ is IMO > actually the best place to start. > > Google searches the site far better than anything site-search can > manage. But that's true for the Microsoft knowledge-base too -- and > has been so for the last 10 years. > > Soon you learn to search the site on people's names. Work thru > http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/CategoryHomepage (it'll only take ten > minutes) and make a list of your favourite contributors, and what > they're good at. Unsurprisingly their ease-of-comprehension by novices > tends to vary inversely with their expertise (there are exceptions). > Some you grow into. I'll pm you with my personal gurus if you ask me > to, but I haven't the gall to do so here. > > > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 1:59 AM, Francis Lambrechts <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > J602/701 are fantastic products but it is frustrating to follow > > the "good idea" below. > > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/docs/help701/user/relhigh.htm > > "701 J Front End (JFE) changes are revolutionary! > > Previously the primary JFE was based on Jsoftware's proprietary > > WD (window driver). > > 701 abandons WD. > > J Engine change makes it relatively easy to completely write a > > JFE in J. This has enabled the development of two new J front > > ends. > > The first is JHS (J HTTP Server) where a browser is the front > > end. > > The second is JGTK which is based on the GTK+ portable library > > for creating graphical user interfaces. > > Get Going > > J has a console interface called jconsole and a GUI interface > > called jhs. Use jhs for an easier introduction to both standard > > and new features. > > "Whether you are new to J or an old hand, it is a good idea to > > start by exploring the jhs menu. Browse help to get an idea of > > what is there and how to navigate." > > > > So i tried to find something about "jhs menu" or "jhs" in the > > Site Search > > 1. lots of unusable "Add on" references for a beginner > > 2. "jhs start" gives something > > http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/NYCJUG/2011-02-08/HelloWorldInJHS > > How true : " We sometimes get blinded by something we think is > > trivial and forget to tell others about the initial steps > > needed." > > 3. in http://www.jsoftware.com/help/index/j.htm the f3-find does > > not work on that page ... how could you find "jhs" in such a long > > page? > > 4. Wow ... not even a search here too ? > > http://jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/ > > > > You did a great job with J701 and i hope you can improve the > > access to beginners. > > I'm not going to give up. > > > > Another detail "C:\Program Files\J701\bin\jhs.bat" seems not > > working ... is it due to the custom installation ? > > > > Good luck anyway > > -- > > Francis, Brussel > > > > -- > > http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
