alkitab mencatat sejarah yang bisa dijadikan tolak ukur zaman, karena 
setiap penguasa yang tercatat bertalian dari yang sebelum dan sesudahnya.
misalnya : babilonia (iraq) beralih ke persia (iran) beralih lagi ke 
yunani, ke rome dan sekarang sudah beralih ke mr.x di daratan eropa yang 
walaupun unsurnya masih ada unsur besi (atau unsur rome nya). tentu yang 
demikian ini bukanlah klenik, karena anda bisa mengkroscek sejarah dan 
melihat fakta hari ini dan melihat arah pergerakan politik global hari ini.

nah kalo gempuran Nazi hitler.. ke mana anda menghubungkan itu? dalam 
alkitab, dikategorikan sebagai tanda zaman peperangan biasa saja kayak 
pd 1 dan pd2.
kalo semua peperangan dicatatkan yang walaupun tidak ada hubungannya 
dengan tali sejarah tadi, maka para pembaca alkitab akan kebingungan 
karena terlalu banyak data membuat semuanya jadi semu karena 
pembahasannya terlalu melebar.

perihal gog dan magog dalam kitab wahyu : hanyalah istilah yang 
disejajarkan dengan nama yang digunakan dalam kitab yeheskiel karena 
persamaan karakteristik, antara peperangan masa yeheskiel dan peperangan 
pada akhir zaman "keduanya melawan Tuhan". jadi enggak ada hubungannya 
dengan alur tolak ukur zaman di atas.

*Question: "What are Gog and Magog?"

Answer: * Historically speaking, Magog was a grandson of Noah (Genesis 
10:2 <http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Genesis%2010.2>). The descendants of 
Magog settled to the far north of Israel, likely in Europe and northern 
Asia (Ezekiel 38:2 <http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezekiel%2038.2>). Magog 
seems to be used to refer to "northern barbarians" in general, but 
likely also has a connection to Magog the person. The people of Magog 
are described as skilled warriors (Ezekiel 38:15 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezekiel%2038.15>; 39:3-9 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezekiel%2039.3-9>).

Gog and Magog are referred to in Ezekiel 38-39 and in Revelation 20:7-8 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2020.7-8>. While these two 
instances carry the same names, a close study of Scripture clearly 
demonstrates they do not refer to the same people and events. In 
Ezekiel's prophecy, Gog will be the leader of a great army that attacks 
the land of Israel. Gog is described as "of the land of Magog, the 
prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal" (Ezekiel 38:2-3 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezekiel%2038.2-3>). Ezekiel's battle of Gog 
and Magog occurs in the tribulation period, more specifically in the 
first 3 1/2 years. The strongest evidence for this view is that the 
attack will come when Israel is at peace (Ezekiel 38:8 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezekiel%2038.8>, 11 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezekiel%2038.11>). The description from 
Ezekiel is that of a nation that has security and has laid down its 
defenses. Israel is definitely not at peace now, and it is inconceivable 
that the nation would lay down its defenses apart from some major event. 
When Israel's covenant with the Beast/Antichrist is in effect at the 
beginning of Daniel's 70th Week (also known as the 7-year tribulation, 
Daniel 9:27a <http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Daniel%209.27a>), Israel will 
be at peace. Possibly the battle will occur just before the midpoint of 
the seven-year period. According to Ezekiel, Gog will be defeated by God 
Himself on the mountains of Israel. The slaughter will be so great it 
will take seven months to bury all of the dead (Ezekiel 39:11-12 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezekiel%2039.11-12>).

Gog and Magog are mentioned again in Revelation is found in 20:7-8. The 
duplicated use of the names Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8-9 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2020.8-9> is to show that these 
people demonstrate the same rebellion against God and antagonism toward 
God as those in Ezekiel 38-39. It is similar to someone today calling a 
person "the devil" because he or she is sinful and evil. We know that 
person is not really Satan, but because that person shares similar 
characteristics, he or she might be referred to as "the devil."

The book of Revelation uses Ezekiel's prophecy about Magog to portray a 
final end-times attack on the nation of Israel (Revelation 20:8-9 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2020.8-9>). The result of this 
battle is that all are destroyed, and Satan will find his final place in 
the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2020.10>).

It is important to recognize that the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is 
quite different from the one in Revelation 20:7-8 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2020.7-8>. Below are some of the 
more obvious reasons why these refer to different people and battles.

1. In the battle of Ezekiel 38-39, the armies come primarily from the 
north and involve only a few nations of the earth (Ezekiel 38:6 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezekiel%2038.6>, 15 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezekiel%2038.15>; 39:2 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezekiel%2039.2>). The battle in Revelation 
20:7-9 <http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2020.7-9> will involve 
all nations, so armies will come from all directions, not just from the 
north.

2. There is no mention of Satan in the context of Ezekiel 38-39. In 
Revelation 20:7 <http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2020.7> the 
context clearly places the battle at the end of the millennium with 
Satan as the primary character.

3. Ezekiel 39:11-12 <http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezekiel%2039.11-12> 
states that the dead will be buried for seven months. There would be no 
need to bury the dead if the battle in Ezekiel 38-39 is the one 
described in Revelation 20:8-9 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2020.8-9>, for immediately 
following Revelation 20:8-9 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2020.8-9> is the Great White 
Throne judgment (20:11-15) and then the current or present heaven and 
earth are destroyed, replaced by a new heaven and earth (Revelation 21:1 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2021.1>). There obviously will 
be a need to bury the dead if the battle takes place in the early part 
of the tribulation, for the land of Israel will be occupied for another 
1,000 years, the length of the millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2020.4-6>).

4. The battle in Ezekiel 38-39 is used by God to bring Israel back to 
Him (Ezekiel 39:21-29 <http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezekiel%2039.21-29>). 
In Revelation 20, Israel has been faithful to God for 1,000 years (the 
millennial kingdom). Those in Revelation 20:7-10 
<http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Revelation%2020.7-10> who are rebellious 
are destroyed without any more opportunity for repentance.

rs

On 22/12/2011 1:01, ajeg wrote:
>
>
> Barangkali memang klenik, dalam arti sesuatu yang ditanam baik-baik
> sehingga tumbuh dan berbuah sebagai realita. Seolah-olah alamiah :)
>
> Seperti misalnya cerita tentang Gog & Magog itu. Tentang serangan
> dari utara yang dipercaya sebagian orang "terealisir" dalam berbagai
> bentuk, al. penjajahan serdadu dari utara (Romawi) atas bangsa Yahudi
> di jaman kelahiran Yesus.
>
> Lalu, ada juga yang percaya Gog & Magog itu "terealisir" dalam
> serangan si Richard (Inggris, utara) terhadap Saladin di era salib-
> menyalib. Ada juga yang percaya itu terealisir lagi dalam serbuan
> Yahudi Eropa kiriman Inggris (utara) di akhir PD II.
>
> Menarik juga kan, serangan selalu dari utara - termasuk serangan
> NATO ke Libya.
>
> Ada pertanyaan iseng, kenapa serbuan dahsyat serdadu Khan tidak
> masuk hitungan?
>
> Jawaban isengnya, karena Khan dari timur, sedangkan cerita Gog-
> Magog asalnya dari Barat-utara..
>
> hehe...
>
> --- ayub yahya <ayubyahya@...> wrote:
>
> > dijaman yesus.. superpower-nya romawi
> > dijaman raja kublai khan's, mongolia sbg negara superpower pd masa
> > itu
> >
> > silahkan baca alkitab... tapi jgn dibuat klenik ah !!
> >
> > horas..!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Richan S <richansitumorang@...>
> >
> > > alkitab menceritakan menjelang kedatangan Yesus kali kedua, bumi
> > > akan dikuasai oleh satu penguasa (mr.x). baca kitab wahyu 13.
> > > superpower sisa satu (amerika), adapun tugas utama amerika adalah
> > > untuk mengumpulkan semua kekuasaan dunia dan menyerahkannya
> > > kepada penguasa yang pertama itu (mr.x) dalam waktu dekat hal ini
> > > akan anda lihat sendiri.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 



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