Iko tambuah samo kantui !
--- In [email protected], "rezameutia" <rezameutia@...> wrote: > > > > semua orang di milis ini udah pasti tau siapa elu ama jusfiq, karena elu > berdua terkenal begonya kelewatan. muke lu berdua tiap hari diludahin ama > semua orang di milis ini. setiap elu berdua nulis, pasti ada aja yang keplak > pala lu karena komentar dungu kalian. > > bayangin aja kelauan elu berdua, si jusfiq adalah orang tua yang otaknya udah > ciut segede biji peler karena junkie selama puluhan tahun. elu udah jelas > kagak punya otak karena sering baca buku sex alkitab sehingga tega ngembat > anak sendiri, ngembat adik sendiri. > > jadi, siapa sih yang nggak tau dua orang retarded di milis ini? > > hehehe.... > > > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > Hehehe ... si safin _blanc ini terus nuduh gua sbg Bukan Pedandaa. Nunjukin > > betapa dungunya dia ini. > >  > > Orang di milis ini umumnya tau siapa Bukan Pedanda itu, dan orang2 yg udah > > lama di milis jg tau bhw gua bukan Bukan Pedanda krn gua udah lama malang > > melintang di milis. Makanya, orang2 di milis pada kabur kalo berhadapan dgn > > gua, hehehe... > >  > >  > > > > From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > > >To: [email protected] > > >Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 11:20 AM > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak > > >babi...) > > > > > >.. sdh gw bilang,.. lu ngaku ato tidak,.. gw kgak rugi juga kgak untung.. > > >.. lu sendiri yg bisa ngitung, mau jujur apa kgak.. > > > > > >.. gw kgak ngotot,.. santai aja.... > > >.. yg suka ngotot dan sering kayak kambing kebakaran jenggot itu lu > > >sendiri, tem,.. > > >.. > > > > > >.. yg suka taik salman rusdi.. > > >.. yg bejat!!! > > >.. dan bagian dari orang yg biadab!!! > > >.. > > >.. ucapan slamat itu lebih cocok buat lu kunyah sendiri... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On 2/9/12, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > >> Jadi si dungu ini ngotot bhw gua orang yg sama dgn Bukan Pedanda. > > >> > > >> Selamat deh, lu udah nunjukin bhw lu ini orang super dungu, jauh lebih > > >> dungu > > >> dr orang2 Islam plus plus rata2 yg tahu siapa Bukan Pedanda itu dan bisa > > >> ngebedakan antara gua dgn Bukan Pedanda. > > >> > > >> Hehehe... semua orang Islam itu dungu, tp kadang ada jg yg super dungu. > > >> > > >> > > >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > > >>>To: [email protected] > > >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 5:19 PM > > >>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak > > >>> babi...) > > >>> > > >>>... omongan kayak gini cuman buang waktu aja tem,.. > > >>> > > >>>.. lu ngaku ato tidak, kgak ada pengaruh apa2 buat gw.. kgak untung, kgak > > >>> rugi.. > > >>> > > >>>yg jelas, lu orang yg mau ngelibas islam dan orang islam di milis > > >>>ini.. dan dimana-mana lu ngumbar fitnah dan caci maki islam.. > > >>> > > >>>sehingga nato dan un yg dikendalikan amrik bisa melegitimate > > >>>pembantaian orang islam, wanita dan anak2.. > > >>> > > >>>itu aja udah cukup menunjukkan kebejatan lu.. > > >>> > > >>>singkat saja: > > >>> > > >>>b e j a t ......! ! ! bejat!!! > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>On 2/8/12, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > >>>> Hehehe ... udah jelas lu ini tadinya mikir gua sama dgn Bukan Pedanda, > > >>>> sekarang ngakunya sengaja ngomong gitu, ga mau ngaku ketololan lu. > > >>>> Terus > > >>>> lu > > >>>> nambah kegoblokan lu dgn ga percaya atas omongan gua, bertentangan dgn > > >>>> ocehan lu sendiri. > > >>>> > > >>>> Emang orang Islam itu ga ada yg pintar, semuanya dungu, tanpa kecuali. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > > >>>>>To: [email protected] > > >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 8:36 AM > > >>>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak > > >>>>> babi...) > > >>>>> > > >>>>>.. lu yg goblog.. gw memang sengaja supaya lu berdua ngomong jujur.. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>klo lu memang orang berbeda, coba lu kasih biodata lu disini.. > > >>>>>nama: (kgak perlu asli) > > >>>>>umur: (72 taon, kt orang) > > >>>>>pkerjaan: > > >>>>>alamat: (yg ini cukup negara mana, gw kgak mau lu dibunuh terorist, > > >>>>>keenakan lu nanti). > > >>>>> > > >>>>>itu aja.. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:13 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> ** > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Goblok, gua bukan Bukan Pedanda. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > > >>>>>> >To: [email protected] > > >>>>>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 12:12 AM > > >>>>>> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak > > >>>>>> babi...) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> >..wah gw telat balas tulisan item yg belepotan taik salman rusdi > > >>>>>> > ini... > > >>>>>> >.. bukan kgak mau balas, soalnya gw lagi melancong ... capeknya > > >>>>>> >masih > > >>>>>> >terasa.. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> >gini tem.. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> >gw kgak silau oleh tulisan pakar organisasi dunia yg didominasi > > >>>>>> >amrik > > >>>>>> > sama > > >>>>>> >konco2nya yg ngejelekin islam supaya mrk punya legitimasi > > >>>>>> >ngebantai > > >>>>>> > orang > > >>>>>> >islam ...... apalagi tulisan yg ngaco seperti yg lu percaya itu..... > > >>>>>> > apa > > >>>>>> >perempuan disunat lalu kgak bisa beranak? bahkan bisa mati > > >>>>>> >segala?... > > >>>>>> >tulisan pakar organisasi dunia yg ngawur, sama sekali kgak > > >>>>>> > kredibel..... > > >>>>>> >kgak perlu ada studi ilmiah utk bilang tulisan mereka ngawur.. > > >>>>>> > kenyataan > > >>>>>> di > > >>>>>> >dunia nyata sdh jelas bhw statement mereka ngawur.. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> >dan lu percaya sama tulisan mereka? tentu saja lu percaya karena lu > > >>>>>> > memang > > >>>>>> >bagian dari orang yg mau melibas islam dan orang islam.. dimilis ini > > >>>>>> > .. > > >>>>>> and > > >>>>>> >beyond.. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> >setiap ada tulisan yg seperti ini lu telen bulat seperti lu telen > > >>>>>> >taik > > >>>>>> >salman rusdi.... dan lu kgak punya malu sebarin tulisan konyol penuh > > >>>>>> >fitnah.. sama artinya dengan lu tukang fitnah juga...... jelas? > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> >.. ihh... > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> >On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Bukan Pedanda > > >>>>>> > <bukan.pedanda@ > > >>>>>> >wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> >> ** > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> safin _blanc ini jelas berotak babi.. > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> Tanpa argumen ilmiah dia bilang kesimpulan pakar organisasi dunia > > >>>>>> >> itu > > >>>>>> >> "fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam " > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> Edan. > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> --- In [email protected], safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > .. apa gw bilang? titit lo memang sontoloyo.. > > >>>>>> >> > .. bantah tuh kalo lu bisa bantah... > > >>>>>> >> > .. disertai bukti.. > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > .. kalo kgak, orang di milis ini akan ketawain lu.. > > >>>>>> >> > .. > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > Female genital mutilation or cutting (FGM/C) is the partial or > > >>>>>> >> > total > > >>>>>> >> > removal of the external genitalia â" undertaken for cultural or > > >>>>>> >> > other > > >>>>>> >> > non-medical reasons â" often causing severe pain and sometimes > > >>>>>> resulting > > >>>>>> >> in > > >>>>>> >> > prolonged bleeding, infection, infertility and even death. > > >>>>>> >> > .. ini fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam, > > >>>>>> >> > sehingga > > >>>>>> orang > > >>>>>> >> yg > > >>>>>> >> > bayar ongkos perang percaya bhw islam memang perlu dibasmi.... > > >>>>>> >> > .. gw kgak pernah dengar ada cw yg mengalami seperti yg lu > > >>>>>> >> > jadikan > > >>>>>> >> > referensi ini.. kecuali tentu saja rasa sakit. infeksi bisa > > >>>>>> >> > terjadi > > >>>>>> kalo > > >>>>>> >> > caranya kgak hygenis, tapi infertility? kematian?.. hah.. kgak > > >>>>>> >> > tahu > > >>>>>> malu > > >>>>>> >> > nyebar pitnah.... > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > .. sunat juga sakit, apa lu kgak sunat? > > >>>>>> >> > .. > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@ > > >>>>>> ...>wrote: > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > ** > > >>>>>> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>> >> > > safin _blanc yang berotak babi dan berpengetahuan dangkal... > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>> http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Cr1=health&NewsID=37478&Cr=women > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >>>>>> >> > > --- In [email protected], safin _blanc > > >>>>>> >> > > <pandan.wangi558@> > > >>>>>> >> wrote: > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > ..ngapain ngurus yg ginian, apa kgak ada kerjaan lain? gw > > >>>>>> >> > > > kgak > > >>>>>> pernah > > >>>>>> >> > > > denger cw sekeliling gw yg complain soal ini.. termasuk bini > > >>>>>> >> > > > gw,.. > > >>>>>> >> > > > ..cw juga kgak usil ngurusin laki2 yg sunat... > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > tp buat lu yg memang mau melibas islam dan orang islam di > > >>>>>> >> > > > milis > > >>>>>> ini, > > >>>>>> >> > > urusan > > >>>>>> >> > > > begini aja jadi besar.. > > >>>>>> >> > > > ato barangkali bini lu kgak puas? klo dia kgak puas berarti > > >>>>>> >> > > > titit > > >>>>>> lu > > >>>>>> >> yg > > >>>>>> >> > > > sontoloyo.... > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > ** > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > Hehehe... jadi lu sama sekali ga peduli dgn cewek2 yg > > >>>>>> >> > > > > dipotong > > >>>>>> >> itilnya > > >>>>>> >> > > > > itu, nurut lu, itu urusan mereka, bukan urusan lu. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >To: [email protected] > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:24 AM > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >Cutting > > >>>>>> Rite > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >lu usil kgak ada kerjaan ngurus itil cw. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >itu urusan sesama perempuan.. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >lu memang tukang fitnah. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >gw bilang kenyataan bhw banyak, banyak sekali muslimah yg > > >>>>>> >> bahagia.. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >lu yg penuh fitnah dalam ngelibas islam dan orang islam > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >di > > >>>>>> milis > > >>>>>> >> > > ini,... > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >yang..gw yakin kgak bahagia.. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >kasihaaaannn... > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, item abu <itemabu@> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >wrote: > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> ** > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> Jadi lu suka ngeliat dan ngedenger cewek tetangga lu > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> ketawa2, > > >>>>>> >> > > berarti lu > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> ga ngikutin ajaran Islam yg nindas cewek. Tetangga lu > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> itu > > >>>>>> udah > > >>>>>> >> > > disunat > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> belum itilnya? > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> Hehehe.... spt yg gua bilang sebelumnya, orang Islam > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> plus > > >>>>>> plus > > >>>>>> >> itu > > >>>>>> >> > > ga > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> peduli sama sekali dgn nasib cewek yg ditindas di > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> negara > > >>>>>> syariat > > >>>>>> >> > > iblis, > > >>>>>> >> > > > > spt > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> cewek yg diperkosa di waktu msh anak2, cewek yg disunat > > >>>>>> itilnya, > > >>>>>> >> > > cewek > > >>>>>> >> > > > > yg > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> disiksa di rumahnya oleh lakinya dsb. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >To: [email protected] > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:19 AM > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > Cutting > > >>>>>> >> Rite > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >tetangga gw 8 bersaudara, perempuan semua... udah pada > > >>>>>> kawin, > > >>>>>> >> dan > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >berbahagia.. kalo ngumpul ketawa mereka lepas sampai > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > kita > > >>>>>> >> > > tetangganya > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >merasakan kegembiraan mrk. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >gw pernah ikut latihan chen-qi di china... suhu kita > > >>>>>> bilang,.. > > >>>>>> >> > > ngesek > > >>>>>> >> > > > > itu > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >perlu, tp orgasm merupakan pemborosan energi yg > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >besar.. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >supaya ingat, si item sinting ini adalah orang yg mau > > >>>>>> melibas > > >>>>>> >> > > islam dan > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >orang islam di milis ini... > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, item abu <itemabu@> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> ** > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Islam itu emang laknatan lil alamin > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> PAKISTAN-INDIA > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> By Zofeen Ebrahim > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> KARACHI, Jan 30, 2012 (IPS) - "It was a dark and > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> dingy > > >>>>>> room, > > >>>>>> >> > > where an > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> elderly woman asked me to take off my panties, made > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> me > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> sit > > >>>>>> >> on a > > >>>>>> >> > > low > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> wooden > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> stool with my legs parted and then did somethingâ¦I > > >>>>>> screamed > > >>>>>> >> out > > >>>>>> >> > > in > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> pain," > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> recalls Alefia Mustansir, 40, of her childhood > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> experience. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Her friend, Sakina Haider, remembers "putting up a > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> good > > >>>>>> >> fight" > > >>>>>> >> > > before > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> she > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> succumbed. "I was told by my grandmother that I was > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> being > > >>>>>> >> taken > > >>>>>> >> > > to > > >>>>>> >> > > > > the > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> doctor to address burning in the genital area when > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> soap > > >>>>>> went > > >>>>>> >> > > there > > >>>>>> >> > > > > while > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> bathing!" > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Both Haider and Mustansir have refused to have their > > >>>>>> >> daughters > > >>>>>> >> > > > > undergo > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> (FGM/C), > > >>>>>> >> the > > >>>>>> >> > > > > Dawoodi > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras' best-kept secret until young women from the > > >>>>>> community > > >>>>>> >> > > first > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> began > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> to speak up against it a few years ago. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras, a sub-sect of Ismaili Shia Muslims, are a > > >>>>>> tight-knit > > >>>>>> >> > > > > community, > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> with a majority residing in India and Pakistan, and > > >>>>>> >> estimated to > > >>>>>> >> > > > > number > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> two > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> million the world over. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> An article in the Dec. 12 issue of the popular > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Indian > > >>>>>> weekly > > >>>>>> >> > > > > `Outlook' > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> says: "Khatna (circumcision) is a tradition the > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras > > >>>>>> trace > > >>>>>> >> > > back to > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> their > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> origins in (north) Africa, one they continue with > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> because > > >>>>>> >> they > > >>>>>> >> > > see > > >>>>>> >> > > > > this > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> as > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> an attempt to stay true to their faith." > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The Outlook article goes on to say that "most Bohra > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> women > > >>>>>> >> and men > > >>>>>> >> > > > > even > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> today would rather keep this practice a secret > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> rather > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> than > > >>>>>> >> > > question a > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> custom that is now universally seen as a gross > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> violation > > >>>>>> of a > > >>>>>> >> > > woman's > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> body." > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The World Health Organisation defines FGM/C as a > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> procedure > > >>>>>> >> that > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "intentionally alters or injures female genital > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> organs > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for > > >>>>>> >> > > > > non-medical > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> reasons." FGM/C, as practiced in some African > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> countries, > > >>>>>> may > > >>>>>> >> > > involve > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> removal of the entire clitoris and labia. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The practice persists in 28 African countries, as > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> well > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> as > > >>>>>> in > > >>>>>> >> some > > >>>>>> >> > > > > Middle > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Eastern countries with varying degrees of cutting or > > >>>>>> >> mutilation. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > African > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> countries that have banned it include Burkina Faso, > > >>>>>> Central > > >>>>>> >> > > African > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Republic, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Togo, Uganda, > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Kenya > > >>>>>> >> and > > >>>>>> >> > > Egypt. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohras insist that their practice is not harmful > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> since > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> it > > >>>>>> is > > >>>>>> >> done > > >>>>>> >> > > > > with > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> care and moderation. Many justify it as a means to > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> curb > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> a > > >>>>>> >> woman's > > >>>>>> >> > > > > sexual > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> drive and keep her chaste. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Haider finds that argument "highly problematic" and > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> sees > > >>>>>> it > > >>>>>> >> as a > > >>>>>> >> > > way > > >>>>>> >> > > > > of > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> controlling women. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Dr. Nighat Shah, former president of the Society of > > >>>>>> >> > > Obstetricians and > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Gynaecologists in Pakistan, finds it hard to believe > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> that > > >>>>>> a > > >>>>>> >> > > > > community as > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "progressive and educated" as the Bohras carries out > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this > > >>>>>> >> > > practice. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Medically speaking," she explained, "a little snip > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> or > > >>>>>> clip > > >>>>>> >> (of > > >>>>>> >> > > the > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> clitoris) may not affect childbirth, but it may rob > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the > > >>>>>> >> woman of > > >>>>>> >> > > > > sexual > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> pleasure. It is a very sensitive tissue." > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Another gynaecologist and obstetrician, Dr. Shershah > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Syed, > > >>>>>> >> finds > > >>>>>> >> > > no > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> medical benefit to support female circumcision. "I > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> am > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> no > > >>>>>> >> > > religious > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> scholar, > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> so if a community believes it is an Islamic > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> injunction, > > >>>>>> I'd > > >>>>>> >> > > suggest > > >>>>>> >> > > > > the > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> girls should at least be old enough to understand > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the > > >>>>>> reason > > >>>>>> >> so > > >>>>>> >> > > that > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> they > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> can make an informed decision." > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Why do women's sexual drives have to be curbed?" > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Haider > > >>>>>> >> asks. > > >>>>>> >> > > "Women > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> who > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> are not circumcised are not necessarily > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> promiscuous!" > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> she > > >>>>>> >> says. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> A young Indian girl belonging to this Muslim sect, > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> who > > >>>>>> goes > > >>>>>> >> by > > >>>>>> >> > > the > > >>>>>> >> > > > > name > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> of > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Tasleem, has now found the courage to initiate an > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> online > > >>>>>> >> petition > > >>>>>> >> > > > > asking > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the community's high priest, Dr. Syedna Mohammad > > >>>>>> >> Burhanuddin, to > > >>>>>> >> > > have > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> this > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "cruel, inhuman and undemocratic ritual" stopped. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The petition addressed to the 96-year-old prelate, > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> who > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> is > > >>>>>> >> based > > >>>>>> >> > > in > > >>>>>> >> > > > > the > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> western Indian city of Mumbai, states: "Such a > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> barbaric > > >>>>>> >> ritual > > >>>>>> >> > > has no > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> place > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> in a progressive community like the Bohras. So we > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> pray > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> to > > >>>>>> His > > >>>>>> >> > > > > Holiness > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> to > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> stop this misogynist ritual." Mustansir and Haider > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> are > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> in > > >>>>>> a > > >>>>>> >> > > minority > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> among > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Bohra women who refuse to accept the practice. Most > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> still > > >>>>>> get > > >>>>>> >> > > their > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> daughters circumcised because it is an order from > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the > > >>>>>> >> community's > > >>>>>> >> > > > > high > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> priest. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "I have blind faith in my leader. I believe there > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> must > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> be > > >>>>>> >> some > > >>>>>> >> > > > > goodness > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> in > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this that there is so much insistence," said Zahabia > > >>>>>> >> Mohammad, > > >>>>>> >> > > 38, > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> mother > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> of three circumcised daughters. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Mohammad conceded that her own experience was > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "gross" > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> and > > >>>>>> >> > > "barbaric", > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> but > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> justifies its continuation because "it is done in a > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> very > > >>>>>> safe > > >>>>>> >> > > manner > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> today > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> by doctors." > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> She was present for all of her daughters' > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcisions. > > >>>>>> "It > > >>>>>> >> > > takes > > >>>>>> >> > > > > less > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> than five minutes and the procedure is done under > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> local > > >>>>>> >> > > anaesthesia. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> Just a > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> very minute bit of the clitoris is clipped off," she > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> said. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> She acknowledged she had little information on the > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> rite > > >>>>>> >> except > > >>>>>> >> > > what > > >>>>>> >> > > > > was > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> told her by an aunt "that the foreskin of the > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> clitoris > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> is > > >>>>>> >> > > unclean and > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcision is for the benefit of the women." > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> She also concedes that today, with a deluge of > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> information > > >>>>>> >> > > > > circulating > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> against this practice, it is imperative to equip the > > >>>>>> >> community > > >>>>>> >> > > with > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> information to enable them to make informed > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> decisions. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Not everyone will accept this blindly, not the next > > >>>>>> >> generation. > > >>>>>> >> > > They > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> will > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> question and prod, so it is important to prepare > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> them," > > >>>>>> she > > >>>>>> >> says > > >>>>>> >> > > of a > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> rite > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> that is kept secret from male members of the sect. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Tasleem told Outlook that genital cutting happens in > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> all > > >>>>>> >> strata > > >>>>>> >> > > of > > >>>>>> >> > > > > Bohra > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> society. "I'd say 90 percent practise it." > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Arwa Mohammad, who is in her 20s, signed the > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> petition > > >>>>>> because > > >>>>>> >> > > "it's > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> archaic and nonsensical." She was circumcised when > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> she > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> was > > >>>>>> >> seven > > >>>>>> >> > > by > > >>>>>> >> > > > > her > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> grandmother's doctor friend. "Just goes to show how > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this > > >>>>>> >> ritual > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> perpetuates > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> without anyone questioning!" > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Married a year back, Mohammad was "not traumatised" > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for > > >>>>>> life > > >>>>>> >> for > > >>>>>> >> > > > > getting > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> circumcised, but cannot comprehend the reason still. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "I > > >>>>>> have > > >>>>>> >> > > friends > > >>>>>> >> > > > > who > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> have been circumcised like me but have a high sex > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> drive. > > >>>>>> On > > >>>>>> >> the > > >>>>>> >> > > other > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> hand, > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> she admits to "frigidity" in bed. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "The thought of snipping off a bit of a young > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> child's > > >>>>>> >> clitoris > > >>>>>> >> > > gives > > >>>>>> >> > > > > me > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the goosebumps," said 37-year-old uncircumcised > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Amena > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> Ali. > > >>>>>> >> She > > >>>>>> >> > > > > refuses > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> to > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> put her two daughters, aged six and eight - > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> considered > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the > > >>>>>> >> right > > >>>>>> >> > > age > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> band > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> for circumcision - under the blade. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> The petition, put up last October, has opened an > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> animated > > >>>>>> >> forum > > >>>>>> >> > > for > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> discussion on both sides of the border, perhaps for > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the > > >>>>>> very > > >>>>>> >> > > first > > >>>>>> >> > > > > time, > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> within the community on a subject that was taboo. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Initially, only the non-Bohras were signing, but > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> once > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the > > >>>>>> >> media > > >>>>>> >> > > got > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> into > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> the act, many women from the community openly began > > >>>>>> talking > > >>>>>> >> about > > >>>>>> >> > > > > their > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> painful experience," Tasleem told IPS in an email > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> exchange > > >>>>>> >> from > > >>>>>> >> > > > > India. > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> So far, Tasleem has been able to collect 1,059 > > >>>>>> signatures. "I > > >>>>>> >> > > will > > >>>>>> >> > > > > keep > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> this going till Dr. Syedna bans it. Raising > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> awareness > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> is > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>> >> > > first > > >>>>>> >> > > > > step > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> towards solving the problem." > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> "Whether the ritual will be abolished by this > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> petition, > > >>>>>> only > > >>>>>> >> time > > >>>>>> >> > > > > will > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> tell," says Zainab Hussain, 49, but she feels the > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> petition > > >>>>>> >> will > > >>>>>> >> > > make > > >>>>>> >> > > > > a > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> difference. "They (community leaders) may eventually > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> break > > >>>>>> >> their > > >>>>>> >> > > > > silence > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> and give a plausible answer." > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> (END) > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> removed] > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >------------------------------------ > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >Post message: [email protected] > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >Subscribe : [email protected] > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >Unsubscribe : [email protected] > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >List owner : [email protected] > > >>>>>> >> > > > > >> >Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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