bukan menganiaya tapi melaksanakan hukuman. Nanti kamu akaan ngomong hak anak gimana ? haarusnya kalau bapak dan emak salah; lantas digebukin sama anak ? bukan keadilan lagi yang didapat tapi Pikiran NGACO; yang hanya dihati mu itu ingin mendeskreditkan ISLAM !
Ngritik Islam dengan penuh rasio, bisa gak sih ? Gak usah pake ekstrim ngomongnya sadis ? Kan kalau memang ada itikad baik; kamu bisa ngomong yang santun bukan ? Kita bisa berdiskusi dengan penuh saling harga menghaargai ! Tapi cara kamu berdiskusi selama ini; bukan demikian tapi menunjukkan kebencian ! sehingga menimbulkan permusuhan ! --- On Thu, 24/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: From: item abu <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [proletar] Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin di Thailand Ditangkap To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Received: Thursday, 24 May, 2012, 7:39 PM Hehehe... hukum itu bunyinya bini digebukin kalo dianggap ga patuh. Ga ada hukum yg bilang suami digebukin bini kalo dianggap ga patuh. Jadi jelas, baik nurut hukum Islam maupun nurut logika Islami, cowok itu selalu yg ngegebukin bininya, ga bisa bininya yg ngegebukin lakinya. Biarpun misalnya ada cewek yg ngegebukin lakinya, maka si cewek itu melanggar hukum Islam, sementara ga masalah kalo laki ngegebukin bininya krn biniya dianggap ga patuh. Itu adil kata orang Islam, hehehe... Jadi yg kuat hrs yg nganiaya yg lemah, suami yg ngegebukin bini. Atau orang kaya nindas orang miskin. Penguasa nindas rakyat. >________________________________ > From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:52 PM >Subject: Re: [proletar] Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin di Thailand Ditangkap > > > >Yang lebih pantas melakukan hukum adalah harus kuat itu jelas. Tapi kalau dia >sewenang wenang; jelas sangat salah dan itu harus dihukum. > >--- On Thu, 24/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >From: item abu <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin di Thailand Ditangkap >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Received: Thursday, 24 May, 2012, 10:50 AM > > > >Jadi, cewek sbg yg lbh lemah boleh dipukulin lakinya yg lbh kuat, sebaliknya >cewek ga bisa mukulin lakinya krn lbh lemah. > >Hehehe... itulah hukum Islam yg "adil" nurut Abbas Amin. Yg lbh kuat berhak >mukulin yg lbh lemah. > >>________________________________ > >> From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> > >>To: [email protected] > >>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:49 AM > >>Subject: Re: [proletar] Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin di Thailand Ditangkap > >> > >> > >> > >>Karena yaang menyusun hukum kan cukup LOGIS/RASIONIL !? > >>Masa pelaksaana hukum orang yang lemah !? mestinya ya yang lebih kuat; supaya >>hukum dijamin diberlakukan. Kalaau yang dipercayaa memegang hukum nyeleweng; >>maka hukumnya harus lebih berat laagi ! > >> > >>--- On Thu, 24/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>From: item abu <[email protected]> > >>Subject: Re: [proletar] Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin di Thailand Ditangkap > >>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >>Received: Thursday, 24 May, 2012, 12:01 AM > >> > >> > >> > >>Gua ga ngomongin prakteknya, gua ngomongin hukumnya. > >> > >>Jadi hukum Islam itu ga adil, krn suami bisa mukulin bini sementara bini ga >>bisa mukulin suaminya. > >> > >>>________________________________ > >> > >>> From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> > >> > >>>To: [email protected] > >> > >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:17 AM > >> > >>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin di Thailand Ditangkap > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>ya memang gak ada istri mukulin suami dalaam aturan; tapi buktinyaa sih >>>banyaak saja istri yang memukul suami bahkan sampai membunuhnya. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>--- On Tue, 22/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>From: item abu <[email protected]> > >> > >>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin di Thailand Ditangkap > >> > >>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> > >>>Received: Tuesday, 22 May, 2012, 8:31 PM > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>Hehehe... suami itu berhak mukulin bini kalo bini dianggap ga patuh. Jadi >>>kalo suami nyeleweng lalu bininya ngomel, si suami berhak mukulin bini krn >>>bininya ga patuh. Ga ada acara bini mukulin lakinya krn lakinya nyeleweng. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>Baca tuh 4:34, disitu kan dibilang laki disuruh ngegebukin bini kalo bini >>>dicurigai ga patuh. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>Hehehe.... lu ngarang ajaran Islam, itu namanya bidah. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>________________________________ > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>To: [email protected] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:02 PM > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin di Thailand Ditangkap > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Gak ada itu suami nyeleweng malah mukulin istri; kalau terjadi begitu maka >>>>kesalahan laki2 dua kali lipat ! > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>--- On Tue, 22/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>From: item abu <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin di Thailand Ditangkap > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Received: Tuesday, 22 May, 2012, 11:26 AM > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Motong 1 permil? Hehehe... Abbas Amin lagi puter2 lidah nutupin praktek >>>>sunat itil yg dilakukan orang Islam. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Jadi bini boleh dipukul kata Abbas Amin, hehehe... > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Tapi kalo lakinya yg nyeleweng dan ga bisa dinasihati, maka bininya yg hts >>>>terima dipukuli jg, bukan lakinya. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Hehehe... Islam itu adil, nurut Abbas Amin. Yg jadi korban pemukulan itu >>>>cuma bininya doang, dan itu adil. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>________________________________ > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>To: [email protected] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:25 AM > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin di Thailand Ditangkap > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>Disunatkan memotong 1permil dari itl perempuan; halal yang sudah baligh; >>>>>menceraikan istri sesuai aturan yang baik; harus menyayangi istri karena >>>>>istri itu dunia akhirat, tapi kalau istri nyeleweng harus diperangi, kalau >>>>>sudah sangat keterlaluan dengan nasihat baaik tak juga kembali ke jalan >>>>>yang benar terpaksaa boleh juga dipukul. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>Memang sangat Adil aturaan Islam itu. Memang Islam Rahmatan lil alamiin. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>--- On Mon, 21/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>From: item abu <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin di Thailand Ditangkap > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>Received: Monday, 21 May, 2012, 4:11 PM > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>Hehehe... ajaran Islam itu nyuruh motong itil, ngehalalin anak ingusan, >>>>>nyeraikan bini dgn 3 kata doang, nyuruh ngegebukin bini yg dianggap ga >>>>>patuh, luar biasa tuh. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>________________________________ > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> From: PAREWA <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:08 PM > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Subject: [proletar] Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin di Thailand Ditangkap > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Refleksi (ala ambon tele) > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Zaman > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>sekarang aja msh byk manusia yg mengerjakan sihir dan membunuh bayi, >>>>>>gimana situasinya > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>ribuan thn yll. Sungguh luar biasa ajaran Islam yg pd ribuan th lalu sudah > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>melarang praktek2 sihir dan membunuh bayi/anak serta memperkenalkan >>>>>>lembaga > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>perkawinan, lalu membatasi perkawinan sbg ganti jual beli dan perbudakan >>>>>>kaum > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>perempuan. Lalu Apa yg diajarkan tuhan gila kerabat iblis pd ribuan th >>>>>>lalu? > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Warga Inggris yang Jual Janin > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>di Thailand Ditangkap > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Antara – Jum, 18 Mei 2012 > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Bangkok (AFP/ANTARA) - Enam janin manusia yang dipanggang dan > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>dibungkus daun emas sebagai bagian dari ritual sihir, disita dari seorang >>>>>>warga > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>negara Inggris di Bangkok, Thailand kata pihak kepolisian pada Jumat. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Chow Hok Kuen (28), warga keturunan Taiwan, ditangkap dalam upacara > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>mengerikan di Pecinan pada Kamis, kata kepolisian. Mayat dikemas di dalam >>>>>>koper > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>yang akan diselundupkan ke Taiwan. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Tersangka membeli janin beberapa hari yang lalu dari seorang pria Taiwan >>>>>>di > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Thailand seharga 200.000 baht (sekitar Rp60 juta) dan berencana >>>>>>menjualnya di > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Taiwan dengan harga enam kali lipat, kata pihak kepolisian. Asal dari > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>janin-janin tersebut tidak jelas. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>"Ia mengatakan bahwa dirinya berencana untuk menjual janin kepada klien > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>yang percaya bahwa janin-janin itu akan membuat mereka beruntung dan > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>kaya," kata Kolonel Kepolisian Bangkok, Wiwat Kamchamnan. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Pria itu menghadapi hukuman satu tahun penjara dan denda 2.000 baht >>>>>>(sekitar > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Rp588ribu) karena membawa janin-janin itu. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>Dalam ritual ilmu hitam Thailand, juga diketahui dilakukan oleh beberapa > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>masyarakat China, janin yang diawetkan diyakini membawa keberuntungan >>>>>>kepada > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>pemiliknya dan sering disimpan di kuil dalam rumah atau tempat usaha. >>>>>>(as/ik) > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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