Hittler boleh2 aja ngaku sbg Kristen atau apapun jg, faktanya yg nganggap Hittler sbg pahlawan itu adalah orang Islam.
>________________________________ > From: johny_indon <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:20 AM >Subject: [proletar] Re: The Holocaust was caused by Christian > > > > > >blo'on bener lu jack. >di jaman information superhighway gini ngga tau agamanya hitler. > >nih gua bantuin: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler > >"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It >points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few >followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight >against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a >fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the >passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the >scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How >terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand >years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the >fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a >Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty >to be a fighter for truth and justice." > >--- In [email protected], jack_fanotona@... wrote: >> >> G sih ndak tau agamanya hitler itu apa tapi yg g tahu walaupun hitler orang >> kristen tapi hitler melakukan holocost tidak berdasarkan alkitab , adalah >> hitler ambil ayat alkitab utk bunuh yahudi? Belum pernah dengar ty? >> Sent from my BlackBerry® >> powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@...> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:13:42 >> To: [email protected]<[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [proletar] The Holocaust was caused by Christian >> >> Hitler Agamanya Hindu' >> tapi bisa juga Budha >> >> itu lambangnya saja Swasika. >> >> According to Steigmann-Gall, Hitler's references to Jesus, God as the "Lord >> of Creation" and the necessity of obeying "His will" reveals that >> Christianity was fused into his thinking. "What Christianity achieves >> is not dogma, it does not seek the outward ecclesiastical form, but >> rather ethical principles.... There is not religion and no philosophy >> that equals it in its moral content; no philosophical ethics is better >> able to diffuse the tension between this life and the hereafter, from >> which Christianity and its ethic were born," Hitler stated.Derek Hastings >> sees Hitler's commitment to Christianity as more >> tenuous. He considers it "eminently plausible" that Hitler was a >> believing Catholic as late as his trial in 1924,Ooooooh rupanya peneluk >> sejati pula. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "jack_fanotona@..." <jack_fanotona@...> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:47 AM >> Subject: Re: [proletar] The Holocaust was caused by Christian >> >> >>  >> What? Kata sapa loe? Mang >> Sent from my BlackBerry® >> powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: PAREWA <parewa70@...> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:04:56 >> To: [email protected]<[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> Subject: [proletar] The Holocaust was caused by Christian >> >> Hitler Was a Christian >> The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism: >>  >>    History is currently being distorted by the >> millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not >> a Christian deed.  Through subterfuge and concealment, many of >> today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the >> Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a >> pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his >> misdeeds on those with out Jesus.  However, from the earliest formation >> of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, >> Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and >> soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes >> to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms. >>    Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of >> producing >> an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t >> encountered any), I have >> been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay.  It is not until I >> bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their >> tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told >> them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under >> Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi >> regime.  This is important information to take into consideration for I >> am privy to some info that most Americans do not know.  It is common for >> American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens >> concerning Nazi Germany.)  So, in presenting this information I must >> break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the >> Church.  2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism.  3) Facts >> concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into >> Germanic society.  4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for >> atheism/occultism, upheld his >> Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity. >>  >> Hitler’s involvement with the Church: >> a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria . >> b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school.  (On his >> way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved >> with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.) >> c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church. >> d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.â€�  His most >> ardent goal at the time was to become a priest.  Hitler writes of his >> love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to >> intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church >> festivals.  As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village >> priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable >> ideal.â€�  -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) >> e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church.  Matter of >> fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for Godâ€� in attacking the >> Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus. >> f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope >> could appoint as a bishop in Germany , Spain and Italy .  In turn they >> surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican .  Hitler wrote a >> speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: >> “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany >> means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic >> Church.  This treaty shows the whole world clearly and >> unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is >> hostile to religion is a lie.â€�  Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to >> the Nazi Party >> g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and >> supporting the church.  The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them >> as part of their >> sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. >>  This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal >> nuncio in Berlin .  It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo >> celebrated Hitler’s birthday.  The celebrations were initiated by >> Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition. >> Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest >> congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the >> dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany >> are sending to heaven on their altars.â€�  (If you would like to know >> more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a >> book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of >> Pius XII, by John Cornwell) >> h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines >> of the Church as law.  He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on >> all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. >>  Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would >> implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its >> allegiance to positive Christianity.  It will be its honest endeavor to >> protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure >> them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to >> constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of >> today.â€�  â€"Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops >> to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan >> propaganda “ Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know >> therefore how to handle this Church.â€� -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have >> said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National >> Socialism >>  >> How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust: >> Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education.  Austria and >> Germany were majorly >> Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an >> inferior status to Aryan Christians.  The Christians blamed the Jews for >> the killing of Jesus.  Jewish hatred did not actually spring from >> Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant >> ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years.  The Protestant >> leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their >> Jewish religion.  In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,â€� Luther set >> the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War >> 2.  Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly >> quoting his works and beliefs. >> Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to >> Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due >> to the Versailles treaty.  The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans >> made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was >> not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the >> leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back >> to a world recognized power.  Due to his annulment of the financial woes of >> the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him >> as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933.  This placed >> him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which >> legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all >> denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill >> faith in a national >> Christianity. >>  >> How the Nazi Regime converted the people: >> a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted >> a >> “Programmeâ€� with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a >> constitution).  In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, >> from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positiveâ€� >> Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the >> State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the >> morality and moral sense of the German race.  The Party, as such, >> stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of >> creed to any >> particular confession...â€� >> b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to >> impressionable children.  Hitler backed up the notion that all people >> need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the >> level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the >> securing and safeguarding of his existence.  Take away from present-day >> mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, >> practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this >> religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the >> result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.â€�  â€" >> Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) >> c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was >> taught. >> d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks >> and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961. >> e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly >> convert all its military. >> f) The Nazi regime >> forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the >> swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear.  An example >> here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which >> reads “Gott Mit Unsâ€�.  For those of you who do not speak German it is >> translated as “God With Usâ€�. >> g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water >> and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a >> maneuver. >> h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reichâ€� that would >> act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of >> heresy (Going not only against >> the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted. >>  >> Quotes from Hitler: >>    Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his >> faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany.  Nazism presents an >> embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So >> they try to pin him on other theistic views.  The following words >> from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal >> the strength of his Christian feelings: >>    “National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for >> worship; it is >> exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. >>  In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a >> people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow >> mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets >> of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not >> National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which >> has nothing to do with us.  At the head of our programme there stand no >> secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward >> profession of belief.  But since we set as the central point of this >> perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence >> the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the >> maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the >> secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the >> Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and >> for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed.  Our humility is >> the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as >> they are known to us men.â€� -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 >> Sept.1938.  [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan >> cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand >> against cults.] >>    “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. >>  We have >> therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that >> not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.â€� >> -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly >> refutes modern >> Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism.  Hitler wanted to form a >> society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any >> questioning of such to be heresy.  The Holocaust was like a modern >> inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were >> killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and >> atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.] >>    Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack >> the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism: >>    "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a >> fighter. >>  It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few >> followers, recognized these Jews for >> what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s >> truth!  was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.  In boundless >> love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells >> us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to >> drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.  How terrific >> was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.  To-day, after >> two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly >> than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His >> blood upon the Cross.  As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be >> cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And >> if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting >> rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have >> also a duty to my own people."  â€"Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April >> 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The >> Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. >> 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942) >>    "Christianity could not content itself with building up its own >> altar; it was >> absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. >>  Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take >> form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf >> Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to >> destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.) >>    "The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes >> the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the >> devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on >> interpretations from the Bible. >> Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “traditionâ€� up >> until the 20th century.) >>    "With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in >> wait >> for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing >> her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war >> for one race to rape another so that they can “defileâ€� the race and >> assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic >> here.)     >>    “The best characterization is provided by the product of this >> religious education, the Jew himself.  His life >> is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true >> Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great >> founder of the new doctrine.  Of course, the latter made no secret of >> his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took >> the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all >> humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument >> for his business existence.  In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, >> while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for >> Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles >> with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own >> nation.â€�â€"Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) >>    "…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his >> expulsion."  -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where >> humankind is cast from Eden for their sins.  Hitler >> compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against >> Christ.) >>    “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will >> of the >> Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the >> work of the Lord.â€� â€"Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) >>    “The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] >> was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.â€� â€"Adolf >> Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it >> disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. >> He states quite clearly >> that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race.  That is why >> many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.) >> “Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first >> prerequisite for success.  This persistence, however, can always and >> only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not >> spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and >> uncertain.â€� â€"Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that >> his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong >> Christian Spirituality.) >> Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion: >>    "Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party >> and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it >> was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief >> associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the >> church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, >> although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the >> church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page >> 95-96) >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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