napa blek? pedih melihat kenyataan ttg hitler ya? tolol sih lu.
--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Hittler boleh2 aja ngaku sbg Kristen atau apapun jg, faktanya yg nganggap > Hittler sbg pahlawan itu adalah orang Islam. > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@...> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:20 AM > >Subject: [proletar] Re: The Holocaust was caused by Christian > > > > > > > > > > > >blo'on bener lu jack. > >di jaman information superhighway gini ngga tau agamanya hitler. > > > >nih gua bantuin: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler > > > >"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It > >points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few > >followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to > >fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but > >as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through > >the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized > >the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How > >terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand > >years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the > >fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a > >Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty > >to be a fighter for truth and justice." > > > >--- In [email protected], jack_fanotona@ wrote: > >> > >> G sih ndak tau agamanya hitler itu apa tapi yg g tahu walaupun hitler > >> orang kristen tapi hitler melakukan holocost tidak berdasarkan alkitab , > >> adalah hitler ambil ayat alkitab utk bunuh yahudi? Belum pernah dengar ty? > >> Sent from my BlackBerryî > >> powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@> > >> Sender: [email protected] > >> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:13:42 > >> To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > >> Reply-To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [proletar] The Holocaust was caused by Christian > >> > >> Hitler Agamanya Hindu' > >> tapi bisa juga Budha > >> > >> itu lambangnya saja Swasika. > >> > >> According to Steigmann-Gall, Hitler's references to Jesus, God as the > >> "Lord of Creation" and the necessity of obeying "His will" reveals that > >> Christianity was fused into his thinking. "What Christianity achieves > >> is not dogma, it does not seek the outward ecclesiastical form, but > >> rather ethical principles.... There is not religion and no philosophy > >> that equals it in its moral content; no philosophical ethics is better > >> able to diffuse the tension between this life and the hereafter, from > >> which Christianity and its ethic were born," Hitler stated.Derek Hastings > >> sees Hitler's commitment to Christianity as more > >> tenuous. He considers it "eminently plausible" that Hitler was a > >> believing Catholic as late as his trial in 1924,Ooooooh rupanya peneluk > >> sejati pula. > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: "jack_fanotona@" <jack_fanotona@> > >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:47 AM > >> Subject: Re: [proletar] The Holocaust was caused by Christian > >> > >> > >> à> >> What? Kata sapa loe? Mang > >> Sent from my BlackBerryî > >> powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: PAREWA <parewa70@> > >> Sender: [email protected] > >> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:04:56 > >> To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > >> Reply-To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [proletar] The Holocaust was caused by Christian > >> > >> Hitler Was a Christian > >> The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism: > >> à> >> àààHistory is currently being distorted by the > >> millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was > >> not a Christian deed. àThrough subterfuge and concealment, many of > >> todayââ¬â¢s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the > >> Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a > >> pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his > >> misdeeds on those with out Jesus. àHowever, from the earliest formation > >> of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, > >> Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and > >> soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes > >> to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms. > >> àààConsidering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of > >> producing > >> an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I havenââ¬â¢t > >> encountered any), I have > >> been forced to dispelàthe myth by writing this essay. àIt is not > >> until I bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and > >> their > >> tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told > >> them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier.àMy Opa served under > >> Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi > >> regime. àThis is important information to take into consideration for I > >> am privy to some info that most Americans do not know. àIt is common > >> for American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens > >> concerning Nazi Germany.) àSo, in presenting this information I must > >> break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with > >> the Church. à2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. > >> à3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into > >> Germanic society. à4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain > >> for atheism/occultism, upheld his > >> Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity. > >> à> >> Hitlerââ¬â¢s involvement with the Church: > >> a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria . > >> b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. à(On > >> his > >> way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved > >> with the monasteryââ¬â¢s coat of arms bearing a swastika.) > >> c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church. > >> d) As a young man he was confirmed as a ââ¬Å"soldier of Christ.ââ¬ï¿½ > >> àHis most > >> ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. àHitler writes of his > >> love for the church and clergy: ââ¬Å"I had excellent opportunity to > >> intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church > >> festivals. àAs was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village > >> priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable > >> ideal.ââ¬ï¿½ à-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) > >> e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. àMatter > >> of fact the Church felt he was JUST and ââ¬Å"avenging for Godââ¬ï¿½ in > >> attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus. > >> f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope > >> could appoint as a bishop in Germany , Spain and Italy . àIn turn they > >> surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican . àHitler > >> wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: > >> ââ¬Å"The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new > >> Germany > >> means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic > >> Church. àThis treaty shows the whole world clearly and > >> unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is > >> hostile to religion is a lie.ââ¬ï¿½ àAdolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, > >> writing to > >> the Nazi Party > >> g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and > >> supporting the church. àThe Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached > >> them as part of their > >> sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. > >> àThis photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal > >> nuncio in Berlin . àIt was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo > >> celebrated Hitlerââ¬â¢s birthday. àThe celebrations were initiated > >> by > >> Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition. > >> Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send ââ¬Å"warmest > >> congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the > >> dioceses in Germany with ââ¬Å"fervent prayers which the Catholics of > >> Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.ââ¬ï¿½ à(If you would > >> like to know > >> more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get > >> a book titled: Hitlerââ¬â¢s Pope: The Secret History of > >> Pius XII, by John Cornwell) > >> h) Due to Hitlerââ¬â¢s involvement with the Church he began enacting > >> doctrines of the Church as law. àHe outlawed all abortion, raged a > >> death war on > >> all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. > >> àMany times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would > >> implement its teachings: ââ¬Å"The National Socialist State professes its > >> allegiance to positive Christianity. àIt will be its honest endeavor to > >> protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure > >> them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties > >> to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of > >> today.ââ¬ï¿½ àââ¬"Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic > >> bishops > >> to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan > >> propaganda ââ¬Å" Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know > >> therefore how to handle this Church.ââ¬ï¿½Ã -Adolf Hitler, reportedly > >> to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to > >> National Socialism > >> à> >> How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust: > >> Hitlerââ¬â¢s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. à> >> Austria and Germany were majorly > >> Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an > >> inferior status to Aryan Christians. àThe Christians blamed the Jews > >> for the killing of Jesus. àJewish hatred did not actually spring from > >> Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant > >> ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. àThe Protestant > >> leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their > >> Jewish religion. àIn his book, ââ¬Å"On the Jews and their > >> Lies,ââ¬ï¿½ Luther set > >> the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War > >> 2. àHitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly > >> quoting his works and beliefs. > >> Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to > >> Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due > >> to the Versailles treaty. àThe Versailles treaty demanded that Germans > >> made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was > >> not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the > >> leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back > >> to a world recognized power. àDue to his annulment of the financial > >> woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him > >> as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. àThis > >> placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which > >> legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all > >> denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to > >> instill faith in a national > >> Christianity. > >> à> >> How the Nazi Regime converted the people: > >> a) In the 1920s, Hitlerââ¬â¢s German Workersââ¬â¢ Party (pre Nazi > >> term) adopted a > >> ââ¬Å"Programmeââ¬ï¿½ with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a > >> constitution). àIn point twenty-four, their intent clearly > >> demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a > >> ââ¬Å"positiveââ¬ï¿½ > >> Christianity: ââ¬Å"We demand liberty for all religious denominations in > >> the > >> State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against > >> the morality and moral sense of the German race. àThe Party, as such, > >> stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter > >> of creed to any > >> particular confession...ââ¬ï¿½ > >> b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to > >> impressionable children. àHitler backed up the notion that all people > >> need faith and religious education: ââ¬Å"By helping to raise man above > >> the > >> level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the > >> securing and safeguarding of his existence. àTake away from present-day > >> mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, > >> practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this > >> religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the > >> result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their > >> existence.ââ¬ï¿½ àââ¬" > >> Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) > >> c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity > >> was taught. > >> d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks > >> and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961. > >> e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to > >> forcibly convert all its military. > >> f) The Nazi regime > >> forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the > >> swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. àAn > >> example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) > >> which > >> reads ââ¬Å"Gott Mit Unsââ¬ï¿½. àFor those of you who do not speak > >> German it is > >> translated as ââ¬Å"God With Usââ¬ï¿½. > >> g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water > >> and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a > >> maneuver. > >> h) The Nazis created a secret service called the ââ¬Å"SS Reichââ¬ï¿½ > >> that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens.àIf anyone > >> was suspected of heresy (Going not only against > >> the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted. > >> à> >> Quotes from Hitler: > >> àààHitlerââ¬â¢s speeches and proclamations, even more > >> clearly, reveal his > >> faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. àNazism presents an > >> embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith > >> So they try to pin him on other theistic views. àThe following words > >> from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal > >> the strength of his Christian feelings: > >> àààââ¬Å"National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement > >> for worship; it is > >> exclusively a ââ¬Ëvolkicââ¬â¢ political doctrine based upon racial > >> principles. > >> àIn its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership > >> of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow > >> mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets > >> of the world beyond to steal into our Movement.àSuch folk are not > >> National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which > >> has nothing to do with us. àAt the head of our programme there stand no > >> secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward > >> profession of belief. àBut since we set as the central point of this > >> perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence > >> the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the > >> maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the > >> secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of > >> the > >> Lordââ¬Â¦Ã Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, > >> and > >> for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. àOur humility > >> is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far > >> as they are known to us men.ââ¬ï¿½Ã -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 > >> Sept.1938. à[Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in > >> pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand > >> against cults.] > >> àààââ¬Å"We were convinced that the people needs and requires > >> this faith. àWe have > >> therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that > >> not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it > >> out.ââ¬ï¿½ -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This > >> statement clearly refutes modern > >> Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. àHitler wanted to form > >> a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any > >> questioning of such to be heresy. àThe Holocaust was like a modern > >> inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were > >> killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and > >> atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.] > >> àààHere Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to > >> attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism: > >> ààà"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior > >> as a fighter. > >> àIt points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few > >> followers, recognized these Jews for > >> what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, > >> Godââ¬â¢s > >> truth! àwas greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. àIn > >> boundless > >> love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells > >> us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to > >> drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. àHow terrific > >> was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. àTo-day, after > >> two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly > >> than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His > >> blood upon the Cross. àAs a Christian I have no duty to allow my self > >> to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and > >> justiceââ¬Â¦Ã And if there is anything which could demonstrate that > >> we are acting > >> rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have > >> also a duty to my own people." àââ¬"Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 > >> April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed.àThe > >> Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. > >> 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942) > >> ààà"Christianity could not content itself with building up its > >> own altar; it was > >> absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. > >> àOnly from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take > >> form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf > >> Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to > >> destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.) > >> ààà"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil > >> assumes the living shape of the Jew."à-Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The > >> idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs > >> based on interpretations from the Bible. > >> Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this > >> ââ¬Å"traditionââ¬ï¿½ up > >> until the 20th century.) > >> ààà"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth > >> lurks in wait > >> for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing > >> her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war > >> for one race to rape another so that they can ââ¬Å"defileââ¬ï¿½ the > >> race and > >> assimilate their own.àHitler speaks about this very tactic > >> here.)ààààà> >> àààââ¬Å"The best characterization is provided by the product > >> of this religious education, the Jew himself. àHis life > >> is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true > >> Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great > >> founder of the new doctrine. àOf course, the latter made no secret of > >> his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took > >> the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all > >> humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument > >> for his business existence. àIn return, Christ was nailed to the cross, > >> while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for > >> Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles > >> with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own > >> nation.ââ¬ï¿½Ã¢â¬"Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) > >> ààà"ââ¬Â¦the fall of man in paradise has always been followed > >> by his expulsion." à-Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 > >> where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. àHitler > >> compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against > >> Christ.) > >> àààââ¬Å"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance > >> with the will of the > >> Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for > >> the work of the Lord.ââ¬ï¿½Ã ââ¬"Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) > >> àààââ¬Å"The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian > >> Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial > >> knowledge.ââ¬ï¿½Ã ââ¬"Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very > >> interesting for it > >> disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan > >> supremacist. He states quite clearly > >> that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race. àThat is why > >> many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.) > >> ââ¬Å"Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very > >> first > >> prerequisite for success. àThis persistence, however, can always and > >> only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does > >> not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and > >> uncertain.ââ¬ï¿½Ã ââ¬"Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is > >> admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his > >> strong > >> Christian Spirituality.) > >> Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion: > >> ààà"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of > >> the party > >> and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it > >> was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief > >> associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the > >> church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, > >> although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the > >> church until his suicide."à(Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer > >> page 95-96) > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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