bener juga John.. si eneng geboy ini demen ngayal.. dgn hayalan basinya.. mau argumen apa.. mau debat apa.. bagi dia kesimpulan cuma ada satu.. " semua terjadi karena Islam.."
lama lama " kenapa cabe rawit rasanya pedas..?" nurut si eneng geboy ini .. " karena Islam.." he3x.. jadi mikir.. kenapa banyak orang sangat ketakutan dengan "Islam?" apakah diperkirakan di masa depan Islam akan mengalami masa kejayaan lagi? bisa jadi.. karena statistik menunjukkan nya.. semoga saja.. ajaran Islam yg universal.. akan di praktekkan sesuai dgn ke universalan nya.. bukan di giring kembali ke jaman jahiliyah. bukan juga digiring untuk menjadi hukum sebuah negara.. * " hidupku di dunia hanya untuk menjaga keseimbangan.. matiku hanya untuk berjumpa dengan sang Pencipta.. " --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@...> wrote: > > Bang johny, Benazir Buttho adalah contoh berani dari Pakistan untuk mendobrak > keyakinan ajaran Islam bhw perempuan itu (i) satu derajat lebih rendah dari > laki2, (ii) mnrt sang nabi perempuan merupakan kutukan bagi laki2, (iii) > tidak dianggap mampu menjadi saksi tanpa ditemani laki2, (iv) berhak hanya > menerima setengah warsian dibanding laki2, (v) penghuni neraka sebagian besar > adalah perempuan, dst. dsb. Penghinaan kaum perempuan itu systemic dlm ajaran > Islam. > > Benazir Buttho dibunuh karena Muslim di Pakistan tidak sudi dipimpin > perempuan. Ingat berbagai golongan Islam keras protes ketika Megawati > dicalonkan jadi prez Indonesia? > > Sebagian besar Muslim tidak mau mengakui bhw ajaran Islam-lah yg (sampai > kiyamat)  yg menghina, meremehkan perempuan to the detriment of Islamic > communities! Di ujung extreme perempuan tidak boleh keluar rumah apalagi > bekerja! (Kecuali kalau dia bersedia netekin laki2 yg ada disekitarnya yg > bukan muhrim!) > > Bayangkan kalau ajaran gila ini diterima oleh Muslim Indonesia. Kaum > perempuan traditionally merupakan back bone dari kehidupan ekonomi Indonesia. > Kalau mereka diharuskan pakai burqa dan bahkan tidak boleh kerja, maka > semakin terpuruklah ekonomi, kesejahteraan bangsa kita. > > Bung johny, terimalah kenyataan bhw sampai hari ini ajaran Islam yg sangat > merugikan kaum perempuan itu masih dipraktikkan oleh Muslim yg 'ketakutan' > oleh kekuatan kaum perempuan. Harusnya mereka justru applaud kegigihan dan > potensi sumbangan kaum perempaun. Berhentilah berfikir bhw ajaran yg hanya > patut untuk suku Arab padang pasir di abad ke-7 masih bermanfaat, masih adil, > masih civilized untuk manusia di abad ke-21 ini. > > Gabriella > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 5:10 PM > Subject: [proletar] Re: IPS:Radical Clerics (Uplik masihhhh... dungu...) > > >  > > > apa yg disampaikan si geboy itu ironis. > dia bilang islam meremehkan perempuan, sementara negara > berbasis agama yg bernama republik islam pakistan justru pernah > dipimpin perempuan, membawahi para mentri dan jendral yg sebagian besar > justru lelaki. > dan negara berbasis agama bernama vatikan malah ngga pernah dipimpin > perempuan. > > tapi sudahlah, ngga ada gunanya gede2an gundu sama si geboy, karena dia ngga > punya gundu. > biarkan dia asik dengan hayalan basinya. > > karena kalau mau jujur, si geboy itu sebenernya paling keberatan dengan poin > yg ini: > > "(4) Allah mengharuskan bini2 mencukur jembutnya..." > > maklum, jembutnya si geboy jabrig abis, sejabrig rambutnya edi brokoli. > > http://data.tribunnews.com/foto/bank/images/edi-brokoli.jpg > > --- In [email protected], "arra_s" <arra_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > sama aja.. di puter puter omongan ini sangat basi.. > > dimana mana di belahan dunia ini banyak terjadi penyimpangan.. > > krn pinter2 nya orang saja.. mau memakai pendekatan dg cara apa.. > > pendekatan agama kah.. ham kah.. kekuasaan kah.. dll.. > > > > yg saya komen basi adalah yg kamu tulis 7 poin di bawah.. > > itu kan ngais2 cerita dari jaman jahiliyah dahulu.. > > agama itu turun ya krn jaman nya jahiliyah itu.. > > > > kalau dulu tdk ada jahiliyah, sy rasa agama tdk akan pernah turun.. > > > > jadi agama adalah salah satu faktor penentu.. > > yg membuat jahiliyah berkurang di muka bumi ini.. > > dan kamu malah me mutar balik.. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > > arra_s, masalahnya di negera2 Islami spt Pakistan, Iran, Mesir , Saudi > > > Arabia dan Sudan kaum perempuan masih saja diperlakukan sebagai sex > > > object sesuai dengan kebiasaan 'basi' dari abad ke-7. Yang membuat aku > > > kecewa, marah dan takut ialah bhw sejumlah Muslim Indonesia mendambakan > > > praktik 'basi' tsb di abad ini. > > > > > > Kita sudah melihat bgmn sebagian Muslimat diwajibkan menutupi awrat > > > mereka dengan sempurna. Di Serambi Mekkah sudah diberlakukan 'hukum basi' > > > yg cenderung memojokkan kaum perempuan. Mereka sudah mempekerjakan > > > 'polisi susila/syariah'. I wonder who police them? Spt Muttawa di banyak > > > negara Timur Tengah mereka ini brutal terhadap perempuan - kecenderungan > > > mysogynistic - kebencian thdp perempuan yg terkandung dlm ajaran basi dan > > > dlm teladan hidup tokoh utama Islam. > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 1:13 AM > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: IPS:Radical Clerics ("arra_s" perempuan dungu...) > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > "arra_s" ini jelas sungguh tolol. > > > > > > "arra_s" jelas sungguh goblok. > > > > > > "arra_s" ini jelas sungguh bodoh. > > > > > > "arra_s" ini jelas sungguh dungu. > > > > > > "arra_s" ini jelas sungguh pandir. > > > > > > Yang ada dibatok kepala "arra_s" itu jelas otak anjing. > > > > > > Makanya kayak anjing yang suka menggongoagn asal menyalak dia bilang: > > > "ini milis indonesia Plik." > > > > > > Begitu dungunya, begitu gobloknya, begitu bodohnya, begitu pandirnya > > > begitu tololnya hingga dia tidak tahu bahwa mailing list ini tidak > > > terbatas untuk hanya bicara tentang Indonesia.. > > > > > > Lagian thread ini dimulai dengan bacotan ulama Mesir.. > > > > > > Dan dibalik itu berita tentantg Syheik Puji yang ngawini bocak cilik juga > > > belum lama betul terjadi. > > > > > > Dan sambil lalu baca nih.. > > > > > > http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/indonesia-survey-says-early-marriages-lead-girls-into-lives-of-desperation/408365 > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "arra_s" <arra_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah mulai lagi.. > > > > kata kata jorok di umbar.. > > > > > > > > itu kejadian dimane?? yemen? > > > > ini milis indonesia Plik.. > > > > kirim aja ke sono ke milis yemen.. > > > > maki maki deh itu sluruh yemen.. > > > > > > > > udah lupa pepatah petitih minang? > > > > lain padang lain belalang.. lain lubuk lain ikan nya??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "arra_s" yang termasuk perempuan paling dungu dimuka bumi ini lagi > > > > > pamer isi otaknya yang sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi > > > > > menjijikkan... > > > > > > > > > > Berita tentang omongan ulama taik babi itu masih hangat betul, masih > > > > > aktuil. > > > > > > > > > > Sambil lalu, baca nih.. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/12/08/yemen-child-marriage-spurs-abuse-girls-and-women > > > > > > > > > > "arra_s" yang termasuk perempuan paling dungu dimuka bumi itu juga > > > > > belum sadar bahwa menurut ajaran agama najis Islam yang dianutnya itu > > > > > perempuan itu cuma sekedar lobang buat dientotin laki-laki atau > > > > > menurut istilah Gabriella Rantau "sekedar awrat berjalan" dan > > > > > diakhirat perempuan itu kebanyakan bakal masuk neraka sedangkankan > > > > > yang berhasil masuk sorga bakal melongo abadi, karena suaminya bakal > > > > > sibuk ngentot dengan 72 bidadari perawan abadi.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <arra_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neng Gaby.. > > > > > > jangan terlalu banyak berkhayal ke jaman barbar.. > > > > > > untuk ukuran jaman sekarang.. yg kamu omongin terdengar basi.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumaha mang? Coba baca ulang apa yg dianjurkan oleh si imam > > > > > > > dungu. Ingat teladan hidup nabi junjungan sehubungan dg Aisha. > > > > > > > Ajaran Islam banyak yg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Meremehkan kaum perempuan. Menganggap perempuan tu sekedar > > > > > > > awrat berjalan (betapa tidak mnrt hadist dari ujung kepala sampai > > > > > > > kaki harus ditutupi karena dianggap awrat!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) Si imut2 Aisha yg baru 6 tahun dilamar (beliau MENULIS > > > > > > > kontrak kawin mnrt hadist bersumber Aisha). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Beliau sampai hati menjeitkan 'torpedo-nya' di antara paha > > > > > > > Aisha. Kebiasaan ini masih dipraktikkan di banyak negara Islami. > > > > > > > (4) Allah mengharuskan bini2 mencukur jembutnya kalau sang suami > > > > > > > pulang malam dari perjalanan jauh. Jaman itu tentunya terpaksa > > > > > > > pakai pisau biasa! Ouch!pudenda, alat kelamin perempuan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) Bini harus melayani kehendak suami untuk ngesek kapan saja, > > > > > > > di mana saja kalau tidak dikutuk oleh malaikat! > > > > > > > (6) Mnrt berbagai hadist 'mahr' atau mas-kawin itu dinyatakan > > > > > > > sebagai ongkos beli seluruh badan si bini. Dg kata lain seluruh > > > > > > > awratnya sudah menjadi milik si suami! > > > > > > > (7) Masih banyak ayat Qur'an dan hadist yg membicarakan pudenda > > > > > > > atau alat kelamin perempuan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pertanyaan yg perlu dipertanyakan ialah siapa dan ajaran mana yg > > > > > > > selalu membicarakan selangkang? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012 11:48 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: IPS:Radical Clerics Seek to Legalise > > > > > > > Child Brides > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > Kenapa orang Kristen seperti Gabby, item, ini selalu pikirannya > > > > > > > cuman disekitar selangkangan doang ya? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karena Alkitab isinya Kidung Agung mengajarkan ajaran cabul sih... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Si imam dungu itu berkata: "The important thing > > > > > > > > isÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàthat the girl is ready and can tolerate > > > > > > > > marriage!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sedang dia dan semua Muslim tahu bhw perempuan apalagi yg masih > > > > > > > > di bawah umur tidak mungkin berani menyangkal, menolak kehendak > > > > > > > > orang tuanya. Jadi spt halnya Aisha dia mau tidak mau ketika > > > > > > > > baru umur 9 tahun ditiduri oleh orang yg sudah 50 tahun. [Dan > > > > > > > > mnrt hadist sebelum consumating the marriage, sang calon suami > > > > > > > > sering ngejepitin torpedonya di antara paha si anak imut2 tsb.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ini jelas praktik yg tidak bisa diterima civilized society di > > > > > > > > abad ke-21 ini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 19 November 2012 9:12 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] IPS:Radical Clerics Seek to Legalise Child > > > > > > > > Brides > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam itu, dan bukan hanya Salafi, sungguh nista dan > > > > > > > > menjijikkan... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Radical Clerics Seek to Legalise Child Brides > > > > > > > > By Cam McGrath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAIRO, Nov 14 2012 (IPS) - An ultraconservative Salafi cleric > > > > > > > > recently sparked outrage among Egypt's liberal circles when he > > > > > > > > attempted to justify his opposition to a proposed > > > > > > > > constitutional article that would outlaw the trafficking of > > > > > > > > women for sex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking on privately-owned Al-Nas satellite channel, Sheikh > > > > > > > > Mohamed Saad El-Azhary said he feared the proposed article > > > > > > > > could conflict with the local practice of child marriage. He > > > > > > > > explained that in Egypt, particularly in rural areas, there is > > > > > > > > a culture of marrying off girls as soon as they hit puberty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The important thing is that the girl is ready and can tolerate > > > > > > > > marriage," El-Azhary declared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He went on to protest proposed laws protecting women from > > > > > > > > violence, warning that if allowed to pass husbands could be > > > > > > > > prosecuted for beating their child brides or forcing themselves > > > > > > > > upon them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "If you have intercourse with your wife against her will, she > > > > > > > > will be able to file a complaint against you," he said. "That's > > > > > > > > where things are headed." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Followers of the Salafi trend believe in a literal reading of > > > > > > > > the Quran and hadith (traditions of Prophet Muhammad) and > > > > > > > > aspire to emulate the lifestyle of the Prophet and his > > > > > > > > companions. Their puritanical approach to Islam has put them at > > > > > > > > odds with secular Muslims and minority groups, who denounce > > > > > > > > their intolerant worldview. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Salafis, the fundamental justification for child marriage > > > > > > > > is passages in the hadith that state Prophet Muhammad married > > > > > > > > his third wife when she was six years old, and consummated the > > > > > > > > marriage after her first menses at nine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheikh Yasser Borhamy, spokesman for the Salafi Dawah, outlined > > > > > > > > his interpretation of the Quranic texts during an interview > > > > > > > > with TV presenter Wael El-Ebrashy. He argued that Egypt's > > > > > > > > marriage laws contradict the provisions of Sharia (Islamic > > > > > > > > law), as girls should be married off once they reach puberty, > > > > > > > > or before "if she can". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "If Islam allowed it during the Prophet's time, it will be > > > > > > > > permissible until the End of Days," Borhamy asserted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While Salafis represent just a small but vocal minority of > > > > > > > > Egyptians, the recent election of an Islamist parliament and > > > > > > > > president has extended their political clout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But what deeply concerns child rights advocates is that > > > > > > > > El-Azhary and Borhamy are members of the committee tasked with > > > > > > > > drafting Egypt's new constitution. And they are not alone. > > > > > > > > Other members of the Islamist-stacked panel are known to share > > > > > > > > their views on child marriage and may be attempting to enshrine > > > > > > > > them in the constitution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "We fought for years to raise the minimum age of marriage for > > > > > > > > girls (from 16) to 18, and now the Islamists want to lower it," > > > > > > > > says women's rights activist Azza Kamel. "There are Salafis > > > > > > > > arguing it should be as low as nine." > > > > > > > > Some battles may have already been lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When a copy of the constitution's first draft circulated last > > > > > > > > month, rights advocates were shocked to find that a proposed > > > > > > > > clause banning the trafficking of women had been omitted. > > > > > > > > Salafi members of the drafting committee had argued to have it > > > > > > > > removed on the grounds that human trafficking "does not exist > > > > > > > > in Egypt" and its mere mention "tarnishes Egypt's image." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > International agencies strongly disagree. According to a 2010 > > > > > > > > report by the U.S. State Department, human trafficking exists > > > > > > > > at many levels in Egypt. The country is a transit point and > > > > > > > > destination for trafficked African and Asian women and > > > > > > > > children, who are subjected to forced labour and prostitution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also a source of trafficked women, including young girls > > > > > > > > exploited under the guise of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Local NGO Memphis Foundation for Development says the > > > > > > > > phenomenon of child marriage is widespread in Egypt, > > > > > > > > particularly in rural areas where parents often marry off their > > > > > > > > daughters early to escape grinding poverty. Research conducted > > > > > > > > in 2008 found that nearly a quarter of all marriages involved > > > > > > > > girls under 16. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afaf Marei, director of the Egyptian Association for Community > > > > > > > > Participation Enhancement (EACPE), says many of these underage > > > > > > > > girls are sold by their parents to wealthy Gulf Arabs who come > > > > > > > > to Egypt in search of "summer brides". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The marriages are arranged by lawyers who act as brokers, and > > > > > > > > may last from hours to months according to the "dowry" paid to > > > > > > > > the parents. Often the transaction is made without the girl's > > > > > > > > knowledge or consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "These marriages are a form of trafficking women (under the > > > > > > > > pretence of) Islamic law," says Marei. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Muslim Brotherhood, the conservative Islamic group that > > > > > > > > dominated this year's parliamentary and presidential polls, has > > > > > > > > kept a low profile in the discourse on child marriage. While > > > > > > > > some reformists in the group reject the practice, its hardline > > > > > > > > leaders were the principal opponents of the 2008 law that > > > > > > > > raised the minimum marriage age of girls to 18. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, as pressure mounts on the constitutional drafting body to > > > > > > > > have the document ready by a Dec. 12 deadline, the > > > > > > > > Brotherhood's weight could prove decisive both on the panel and > > > > > > > > at the polls. If the constitution goes to a referendum without > > > > > > > > a clause explicitly banning the trafficking of women, it is > > > > > > > > likely to pass given the Brotherhood's ability to rally public > > > > > > > > support, say liberal activists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "We're fighting to win, but rationally I don't think we can," > > > > > > > > concedes Amal Abdel Hadi, head of the New Women Foundation. > > > > > > > > "This is just one battle and we're fighting the Islamists on > > > > > > > > even greater issues such as (to guarantee) the equality of > > > > > > > > citizenship." 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