yoi, persis si bleki. dua2nya juga mengaku pernah jadi tki di timur tengah. sebuah kebetulan yg agak aneh kan? apa jangan2 dia ini bleki versi transgender?
--- In [email protected], "arra_s" <arra_s@...> wrote: > > > bener juga John.. > si eneng geboy ini demen ngayal.. dgn hayalan basinya.. > > mau argumen apa.. mau debat apa.. > bagi dia kesimpulan cuma ada satu.. > " semua terjadi karena Islam.." > > lama lama " kenapa cabe rawit rasanya pedas..?" > nurut si eneng geboy ini .. " karena Islam.." > he3x.. > > jadi mikir.. > kenapa banyak orang sangat ketakutan dengan "Islam?" > apakah diperkirakan di masa depan Islam akan mengalami masa kejayaan lagi? > > bisa jadi.. karena statistik menunjukkan nya.. > > semoga saja.. > ajaran Islam yg universal.. > akan di praktekkan sesuai dgn ke universalan nya.. > bukan di giring kembali ke jaman jahiliyah. > bukan juga digiring untuk menjadi hukum sebuah negara.. > > > * > " hidupku di dunia hanya untuk menjaga keseimbangan.. > matiku hanya untuk berjumpa dengan sang Pencipta.. " > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > Bang johny, Benazir Buttho adalah contoh berani dari Pakistan untuk > > mendobrak keyakinan ajaran Islam bhw perempuan itu (i) satu derajat lebih > > rendah dari laki2, (ii) mnrt sang nabi perempuan merupakan kutukan bagi > > laki2, (iii) tidak dianggap mampu menjadi saksi tanpa ditemani laki2, (iv) > > berhak hanya menerima setengah warsian dibanding laki2, (v) penghuni neraka > > sebagian besar adalah perempuan, dst. dsb. Penghinaan kaum perempuan itu > > systemic dlm ajaran Islam. > > > > Benazir Buttho dibunuh karena Muslim di Pakistan tidak sudi dipimpin > > perempuan. Ingat berbagai golongan Islam keras protes ketika Megawati > > dicalonkan jadi prez Indonesia? > > > > Sebagian besar Muslim tidak mau mengakui bhw ajaran Islam-lah yg (sampai > > kiyamat)  yg menghina, meremehkan perempuan to the detriment of Islamic > > communities! Di ujung extreme perempuan tidak boleh keluar rumah apalagi > > bekerja! (Kecuali kalau dia bersedia netekin laki2 yg ada disekitarnya yg > > bukan muhrim!) > > > > Bayangkan kalau ajaran gila ini diterima oleh Muslim Indonesia. Kaum > > perempuan traditionally merupakan back bone dari kehidupan ekonomi > > Indonesia. Kalau mereka diharuskan pakai burqa dan bahkan tidak boleh > > kerja, maka semakin terpuruklah ekonomi, kesejahteraan bangsa kita. > > > > Bung johny, terimalah kenyataan bhw sampai hari ini ajaran Islam yg sangat > > merugikan kaum perempuan itu masih dipraktikkan oleh Muslim yg 'ketakutan' > > oleh kekuatan kaum perempuan. Harusnya mereka justru applaud kegigihan dan > > potensi sumbangan kaum perempaun. Berhentilah berfikir bhw ajaran yg hanya > > patut untuk suku Arab padang pasir di abad ke-7 masih bermanfaat, masih > > adil, masih civilized untuk manusia di abad ke-21 ini. > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 5:10 PM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: IPS:Radical Clerics (Uplik masihhhh... dungu...) > > > > > >  > > > > > > apa yg disampaikan si geboy itu ironis. > > dia bilang islam meremehkan perempuan, sementara negara > > berbasis agama yg bernama republik islam pakistan justru pernah > > dipimpin perempuan, membawahi para mentri dan jendral yg sebagian besar > > justru lelaki. > > dan negara berbasis agama bernama vatikan malah ngga pernah dipimpin > > perempuan. > > > > tapi sudahlah, ngga ada gunanya gede2an gundu sama si geboy, karena dia > > ngga punya gundu. > > biarkan dia asik dengan hayalan basinya. > > > > karena kalau mau jujur, si geboy itu sebenernya paling keberatan dengan > > poin yg ini: > > > > "(4) Allah mengharuskan bini2 mencukur jembutnya..." > > > > maklum, jembutnya si geboy jabrig abis, sejabrig rambutnya edi brokoli. > > > > http://data.tribunnews.com/foto/bank/images/edi-brokoli.jpg > > > > --- In [email protected], "arra_s" <arra_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > sama aja.. di puter puter omongan ini sangat basi.. > > > dimana mana di belahan dunia ini banyak terjadi penyimpangan.. > > > krn pinter2 nya orang saja.. mau memakai pendekatan dg cara apa.. > > > pendekatan agama kah.. ham kah.. kekuasaan kah.. dll.. > > > > > > yg saya komen basi adalah yg kamu tulis 7 poin di bawah.. > > > itu kan ngais2 cerita dari jaman jahiliyah dahulu.. > > > agama itu turun ya krn jaman nya jahiliyah itu.. > > > > > > kalau dulu tdk ada jahiliyah, sy rasa agama tdk akan pernah turun.. > > > > > > jadi agama adalah salah satu faktor penentu.. > > > yg membuat jahiliyah berkurang di muka bumi ini.. > > > dan kamu malah me mutar balik.. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > arra_s, masalahnya di negera2 Islami spt Pakistan, Iran, Mesir , Saudi > > > > Arabia dan Sudan kaum perempuan masih saja diperlakukan sebagai sex > > > > object sesuai dengan kebiasaan 'basi' dari abad ke-7. Yang membuat aku > > > > kecewa, marah dan takut ialah bhw sejumlah Muslim Indonesia mendambakan > > > > praktik 'basi' tsb di abad ini. > > > > > > > > Kita sudah melihat bgmn sebagian Muslimat diwajibkan menutupi awrat > > > > mereka dengan sempurna. Di Serambi Mekkah sudah diberlakukan 'hukum > > > > basi' yg cenderung memojokkan kaum perempuan. Mereka sudah > > > > mempekerjakan 'polisi susila/syariah'. I wonder who police them? Spt > > > > Muttawa di banyak negara Timur Tengah mereka ini brutal terhadap > > > > perempuan - kecenderungan mysogynistic - kebencian thdp perempuan yg > > > > terkandung dlm ajaran basi dan dlm teladan hidup tokoh utama Islam. > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 1:13 AM > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: IPS:Radical Clerics ("arra_s" perempuan > > > > dungu...) > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > "arra_s" ini jelas sungguh tolol. > > > > > > > > "arra_s" jelas sungguh goblok. > > > > > > > > "arra_s" ini jelas sungguh bodoh. > > > > > > > > "arra_s" ini jelas sungguh dungu. > > > > > > > > "arra_s" ini jelas sungguh pandir. > > > > > > > > Yang ada dibatok kepala "arra_s" itu jelas otak anjing. > > > > > > > > Makanya kayak anjing yang suka menggongoagn asal menyalak dia bilang: > > > > "ini milis indonesia Plik." > > > > > > > > Begitu dungunya, begitu gobloknya, begitu bodohnya, begitu pandirnya > > > > begitu tololnya hingga dia tidak tahu bahwa mailing list ini tidak > > > > terbatas untuk hanya bicara tentang Indonesia.. > > > > > > > > Lagian thread ini dimulai dengan bacotan ulama Mesir.. > > > > > > > > Dan dibalik itu berita tentantg Syheik Puji yang ngawini bocak cilik > > > > juga belum lama betul terjadi. > > > > > > > > Dan sambil lalu baca nih.. > > > > > > > > http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/indonesia-survey-says-early-marriages-lead-girls-into-lives-of-desperation/408365 > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "arra_s" <arra_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah mulai lagi.. > > > > > kata kata jorok di umbar.. > > > > > > > > > > itu kejadian dimane?? yemen? > > > > > ini milis indonesia Plik.. > > > > > kirim aja ke sono ke milis yemen.. > > > > > maki maki deh itu sluruh yemen.. > > > > > > > > > > udah lupa pepatah petitih minang? > > > > > lain padang lain belalang.. lain lubuk lain ikan nya??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "arra_s" yang termasuk perempuan paling dungu dimuka bumi ini lagi > > > > > > pamer isi otaknya yang sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi > > > > > > menjijikkan... > > > > > > > > > > > > Berita tentang omongan ulama taik babi itu masih hangat betul, > > > > > > masih aktuil. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sambil lalu, baca nih.. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/12/08/yemen-child-marriage-spurs-abuse-girls-and-women > > > > > > > > > > > > "arra_s" yang termasuk perempuan paling dungu dimuka bumi itu juga > > > > > > belum sadar bahwa menurut ajaran agama najis Islam yang dianutnya > > > > > > itu perempuan itu cuma sekedar lobang buat dientotin laki-laki atau > > > > > > menurut istilah Gabriella Rantau "sekedar awrat berjalan" dan > > > > > > diakhirat perempuan itu kebanyakan bakal masuk neraka sedangkankan > > > > > > yang berhasil masuk sorga bakal melongo abadi, karena suaminya > > > > > > bakal sibuk ngentot dengan 72 bidadari perawan abadi.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <arra_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neng Gaby.. > > > > > > > jangan terlalu banyak berkhayal ke jaman barbar.. > > > > > > > untuk ukuran jaman sekarang.. yg kamu omongin terdengar basi.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumaha mang? Coba baca ulang apa yg dianjurkan oleh si imam > > > > > > > > dungu. Ingat teladan hidup nabi junjungan sehubungan dg Aisha. > > > > > > > > Ajaran Islam banyak yg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) Meremehkan kaum perempuan. Menganggap perempuan tu sekedar > > > > > > > > awrat berjalan (betapa tidak mnrt hadist dari ujung kepala > > > > > > > > sampai kaki harus ditutupi karena dianggap awrat!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) Si imut2 Aisha yg baru 6 tahun dilamar (beliau MENULIS > > > > > > > > kontrak kawin mnrt hadist bersumber Aisha). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Beliau sampai hati menjeitkan 'torpedo-nya' di antara paha > > > > > > > > Aisha. Kebiasaan ini masih dipraktikkan di banyak negara Islami. > > > > > > > > (4) Allah mengharuskan bini2 mencukur jembutnya kalau sang > > > > > > > > suami pulang malam dari perjalanan jauh. Jaman itu tentunya > > > > > > > > terpaksa pakai pisau biasa! Ouch!pudenda, alat kelamin perempuan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) Bini harus melayani kehendak suami untuk ngesek kapan saja, > > > > > > > > di mana saja kalau tidak dikutuk oleh malaikat! > > > > > > > > (6) Mnrt berbagai hadist 'mahr' atau mas-kawin itu dinyatakan > > > > > > > > sebagai ongkos beli seluruh badan si bini. Dg kata lain seluruh > > > > > > > > awratnya sudah menjadi milik si suami! > > > > > > > > (7) Masih banyak ayat Qur'an dan hadist yg membicarakan pudenda > > > > > > > > atau alat kelamin perempuan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pertanyaan yg perlu dipertanyakan ialah siapa dan ajaran mana > > > > > > > > yg selalu membicarakan selangkang? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012 11:48 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: IPS:Radical Clerics Seek to Legalise > > > > > > > > Child Brides > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > Kenapa orang Kristen seperti Gabby, item, ini selalu pikirannya > > > > > > > > cuman disekitar selangkangan doang ya? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karena Alkitab isinya Kidung Agung mengajarkan ajaran cabul > > > > > > > > sih... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Si imam dungu itu berkata: "The important thing > > > > > > > > > isÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàthat the girl is ready and can > > > > > > > > > tolerate marriage!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sedang dia dan semua Muslim tahu bhw perempuan apalagi yg > > > > > > > > > masih di bawah umur tidak mungkin berani menyangkal, menolak > > > > > > > > > kehendak orang tuanya. Jadi spt halnya Aisha dia mau tidak > > > > > > > > > mau ketika baru umur 9 tahun ditiduri oleh orang yg sudah 50 > > > > > > > > > tahun. [Dan mnrt hadist sebelum consumating the marriage, > > > > > > > > > sang calon suami sering ngejepitin torpedonya di antara paha > > > > > > > > > si anak imut2 tsb.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ini jelas praktik yg tidak bisa diterima civilized society di > > > > > > > > > abad ke-21 ini. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 19 November 2012 9:12 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] IPS:Radical Clerics Seek to Legalise > > > > > > > > > Child Brides > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam itu, dan bukan hanya Salafi, sungguh nista dan > > > > > > > > > menjijikkan... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Radical Clerics Seek to Legalise Child Brides > > > > > > > > > By Cam McGrath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAIRO, Nov 14 2012 (IPS) - An ultraconservative Salafi cleric > > > > > > > > > recently sparked outrage among Egypt's liberal circles when > > > > > > > > > he attempted to justify his opposition to a proposed > > > > > > > > > constitutional article that would outlaw the trafficking of > > > > > > > > > women for sex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking on privately-owned Al-Nas satellite channel, Sheikh > > > > > > > > > Mohamed Saad El-Azhary said he feared the proposed article > > > > > > > > > could conflict with the local practice of child marriage. He > > > > > > > > > explained that in Egypt, particularly in rural areas, there > > > > > > > > > is a culture of marrying off girls as soon as they hit > > > > > > > > > puberty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The important thing is that the girl is ready and can > > > > > > > > > tolerate marriage," El-Azhary declared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He went on to protest proposed laws protecting women from > > > > > > > > > violence, warning that if allowed to pass husbands could be > > > > > > > > > prosecuted for beating their child brides or forcing > > > > > > > > > themselves upon them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "If you have intercourse with your wife against her will, she > > > > > > > > > will be able to file a complaint against you," he said. > > > > > > > > > "That's where things are headed." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Followers of the Salafi trend believe in a literal reading of > > > > > > > > > the Quran and hadith (traditions of Prophet Muhammad) and > > > > > > > > > aspire to emulate the lifestyle of the Prophet and his > > > > > > > > > companions. Their puritanical approach to Islam has put them > > > > > > > > > at odds with secular Muslims and minority groups, who > > > > > > > > > denounce their intolerant worldview. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Salafis, the fundamental justification for child marriage > > > > > > > > > is passages in the hadith that state Prophet Muhammad married > > > > > > > > > his third wife when she was six years old, and consummated > > > > > > > > > the marriage after her first menses at nine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheikh Yasser Borhamy, spokesman for the Salafi Dawah, > > > > > > > > > outlined his interpretation of the Quranic texts during an > > > > > > > > > interview with TV presenter Wael El-Ebrashy. He argued that > > > > > > > > > Egypt's marriage laws contradict the provisions of Sharia > > > > > > > > > (Islamic law), as girls should be married off once they reach > > > > > > > > > puberty, or before "if she can". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "If Islam allowed it during the Prophet's time, it will be > > > > > > > > > permissible until the End of Days," Borhamy asserted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While Salafis represent just a small but vocal minority of > > > > > > > > > Egyptians, the recent election of an Islamist parliament and > > > > > > > > > president has extended their political clout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But what deeply concerns child rights advocates is that > > > > > > > > > El-Azhary and Borhamy are members of the committee tasked > > > > > > > > > with drafting Egypt's new constitution. And they are not > > > > > > > > > alone. Other members of the Islamist-stacked panel are known > > > > > > > > > to share their views on child marriage and may be attempting > > > > > > > > > to enshrine them in the constitution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "We fought for years to raise the minimum age of marriage for > > > > > > > > > girls (from 16) to 18, and now the Islamists want to lower > > > > > > > > > it," says women's rights activist Azza Kamel. "There are > > > > > > > > > Salafis arguing it should be as low as nine." > > > > > > > > > Some battles may have already been lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When a copy of the constitution's first draft circulated last > > > > > > > > > month, rights advocates were shocked to find that a proposed > > > > > > > > > clause banning the trafficking of women had been omitted. > > > > > > > > > Salafi members of the drafting committee had argued to have > > > > > > > > > it removed on the grounds that human trafficking "does not > > > > > > > > > exist in Egypt" and its mere mention "tarnishes Egypt's > > > > > > > > > image." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > International agencies strongly disagree. According to a 2010 > > > > > > > > > report by the U.S. State Department, human trafficking exists > > > > > > > > > at many levels in Egypt. The country is a transit point and > > > > > > > > > destination for trafficked African and Asian women and > > > > > > > > > children, who are subjected to forced labour and prostitution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is also a source of trafficked women, including young > > > > > > > > > girls exploited under the guise of marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Local NGO Memphis Foundation for Development says the > > > > > > > > > phenomenon of child marriage is widespread in Egypt, > > > > > > > > > particularly in rural areas where parents often marry off > > > > > > > > > their daughters early to escape grinding poverty. Research > > > > > > > > > conducted in 2008 found that nearly a quarter of all > > > > > > > > > marriages involved girls under 16. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Afaf Marei, director of the Egyptian Association for > > > > > > > > > Community Participation Enhancement (EACPE), says many of > > > > > > > > > these underage girls are sold by their parents to wealthy > > > > > > > > > Gulf Arabs who come to Egypt in search of "summer brides". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The marriages are arranged by lawyers who act as brokers, and > > > > > > > > > may last from hours to months according to the "dowry" paid > > > > > > > > > to the parents. Often the transaction is made without the > > > > > > > > > girl's knowledge or consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "These marriages are a form of trafficking women (under the > > > > > > > > > pretence of) Islamic law," says Marei. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Muslim Brotherhood, the conservative Islamic group that > > > > > > > > > dominated this year's parliamentary and presidential polls, > > > > > > > > > has kept a low profile in the discourse on child marriage. > > > > > > > > > While some reformists in the group reject the practice, its > > > > > > > > > hardline leaders were the principal opponents of the 2008 law > > > > > > > > > that raised the minimum marriage age of girls to 18. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, as pressure mounts on the constitutional drafting body > > > > > > > > > to have the document ready by a Dec. 12 deadline, the > > > > > > > > > Brotherhood's weight could prove decisive both on the panel > > > > > > > > > and at the polls. If the constitution goes to a referendum > > > > > > > > > without a clause explicitly banning the trafficking of women, > > > > > > > > > it is likely to pass given the Brotherhood's ability to rally > > > > > > > > > public support, say liberal activists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "We're fighting to win, but rationally I don't think we can," > > > > > > > > > concedes Amal Abdel Hadi, head of the New Women Foundation. > > > > > > > > > "This is just one battle and we're fighting the Islamists on > > > > > > > > > even greater issues such as (to guarantee) the equality of > > > > > > > > > citizenship." 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