ini mah tipikal apologetic kristen goblog... nabi sulaiman, nabi lot, nabi daud, tidak mungkin menulis atau melakukan perbuatan biadab tidak bermoral seperti yang ditulis di alkitab.
mosok seorang nabi lot dikatakan mabok berat sehingga sampe tega ngencuk anaknya sendiri sampe bunting? emangnya lo pikir nabi lot itu kelakuannya kayak anjing yang ngencuk anaknya sendiri? lo udah tau nabi sulaiman terkenal karena kebijaksanaannya, jadi nggak mungkin lah nabi sulaiman di kidung agung dia menulis, "Dengan kuda betina dari pada kereta-kereta Firaun kuumpamakan engkau, manisku.". jadi kalo elu sebagai perempuan itu diumpamakan seperti kuda betina, maka laki2 seperti si rahwana dasakontol diumpamakan seperti 'black stallion' dong? hehehe... --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@...> wrote: > > Typical Muslim, tidak pernah baca Kidung Agung sekedar ngikuti omongan orang > lain yg juga tidak pernah mengerti apa yg tertulis dlm Kidung Agung. > > (1) K.A. adalah kumpulan nyanyian yg ditulis oleh Salomo (nabi suleiman). > Orang yg dianggap nabi oleh Islam dan terkenal krn kebijaksanaannya. Melalui > syair2nya disampaikannya peringatan ke pada bangsanya akan nasib yg akan > menimpa mereka kalau tidak mengikuti ajaran YWH. > (2) Kesalahan orang2 yg tidak tahu dan tidak mengerti K.A. ialah mengartikan > segalanya secara harafiah sedangkan sebagian besar adalah kiasan2. Coba anda > baca secara jeli. > (3) K.A. sebagai bagian dari kitab suci yg diturunkan sebelum al Qur'an > diakui oleh Allah SWT sbg kitab yg berasal dari-Nya. Jadi kalau anda kurang > sreg dengan isinya, proteslah kpd allah SWT. > (4) Sekali lagi isi Kidung Agung - yaitu kumpulan kidung atau nyanyian ini > bukannya untk dilakukan. Salomo menghendaki agar pembaca mengambil inti sari > dari kumpulan nyanyian-syair dia. > (5) Mengenai tuduhan anda bhw ada ayat Alkitab yg menyuruh orang meniduri > anak sendiri sehingga mengandung - silakan baca sendiri. Ayat terkait > menunjukkan kebejatan seorang - tidak untuk menjadi teladan tetapi sebaliknya > menunjukkan kebejatan dia dan kalau anda jeli akan anda dapati hukuman apa > yg menimpa dirinya karena kemesumannya. > > Coba bandingkan dengan ayat2 Al Qur'an dan kumpulan hadist sahih yg menyruh > Muslim melakukan hal2 yg tidak adil, tidak senonoh, brutal dst. > > Gabriella. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: rezameutia <rezameutia@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 12:42 AM > Subject: [proletar] Re: IPS:Radical Clerics Seek to Legalise Child Brides > > >  > Gw bilang dibawah bahwa kitab suci Alkitab itu isinya cabul, seperti Kidung > Agung. Tapi, elu malahan ngomongin hadis dan hadis itu bukan kitab suci > Islam. Goblog banget sih nih orang... > > Sekarang coba lu sebutin ayat di kitab suci Al Quran yang isinya seperti > kitab suci Alkitab yang isinya porno cabul seperti Kidung Agung, atau ayat di > Quran yang isinya memberi perintah ngencuk anak sendiri sampe bunting, > ngencuk ibu sendiri, atau ngentot bini orang lain seperti perintah di Alkitab. > > ----- > > (7) Masih banyak ayat Qur'an dan hadist yg membicarakan pudenda atau alat > > kelamin perempuan > ----- > > Ada berapa banyak ayat Al Quran yang membicarakan alat kelamin perempuan? > > Coba lu sebutin satu aja.. > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > Kumaha mang? Coba baca ulang apa yg dianjurkan oleh si imam dungu. Ingat > > teladan hidup nabi junjungan sehubungan dg Aisha. Ajaran Islam banyak yg > > > > (1) Meremehkan kaum perempuan. Menganggap perempuan tu sekedar awrat > > berjalan (betapa tidak mnrt hadist dari ujung kepala sampai kaki harus > > ditutupi karena dianggap awrat!). > > > > (2) Si imut2 Aisha yg baru 6 tahun dilamar (beliau MENULIS kontrak kawin > > mnrt hadist bersumber Aisha). > > > > (3) Beliau sampai hati menjeitkan 'torpedo-nya' di antara paha Aisha. > > Kebiasaan ini masih dipraktikkan di banyak negara Islami. > > (4) Allah mengharuskan bini2 mencukur jembutnya kalau sang suami pulang > > malam dari perjalanan jauh. Jaman itu tentunya terpaksa pakai pisau biasa! > > Ouch!pudenda, alat kelamin perempuan > > > > (5) Bini harus melayani kehendak suami untuk ngesek kapan saja, di mana > > saja kalau tidak dikutuk oleh malaikat! > > (6) Mnrt berbagai hadist 'mahr' atau mas-kawin itu dinyatakan sebagai > > ongkos beli seluruh badan si bini. Dg kata lain seluruh awratnya sudah > > menjadi milik si suami! > > (7) Masih banyak ayat Qur'an dan hadist yg membicarakan pudenda atau alat > > kelamin perempuan. > > > > Pertanyaan yg perlu dipertanyakan ialah siapa dan ajaran mana yg selalu > > membicarakan selangkang? > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012 11:48 AM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: IPS:Radical Clerics Seek to Legalise Child Brides > > > > > > à> > Kenapa orang Kristen seperti Gabby, item, ini selalu pikirannya cuman > > disekitar selangkangan doang ya? > > > > Karena Alkitab isinya Kidung Agung mengajarkan ajaran cabul sih... > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > > Si imam dungu itu berkata: "The important thing isÃâàthat the girl > > > is ready and can tolerate marriage!" > > > > > > Sedang dia dan semua Muslim tahu bhw perempuan apalagi yg masih di bawah > > > umur tidak mungkin berani menyangkal, menolak kehendak orang tuanya. Jadi > > > spt halnya Aisha dia mau tidak mau ketika baru umur 9 tahun ditiduri oleh > > > orang yg sudah 50 tahun. [Dan mnrt hadist sebelum consumating the > > > marriage, sang calon suami sering ngejepitin torpedonya di antara paha si > > > anak imut2 tsb.] > > > > > > Ini jelas praktik yg tidak bisa diterima civilized society di abad ke-21 > > > ini. > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Monday, 19 November 2012 9:12 PM > > > Subject: [proletar] IPS:Radical Clerics Seek to Legalise Child Brides > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > Islam itu, dan bukan hanya Salafi, sungguh nista dan menjijikkan... > > > > > > Radical Clerics Seek to Legalise Child Brides > > > By Cam McGrath > > > > > > CAIRO, Nov 14 2012 (IPS) - An ultraconservative Salafi cleric recently > > > sparked outrage among Egypt's liberal circles when he attempted to > > > justify his opposition to a proposed constitutional article that would > > > outlaw the trafficking of women for sex. > > > > > > Speaking on privately-owned Al-Nas satellite channel, Sheikh Mohamed Saad > > > El-Azhary said he feared the proposed article could conflict with the > > > local practice of child marriage. He explained that in Egypt, > > > particularly in rural areas, there is a culture of marrying off girls as > > > soon as they hit puberty. > > > > > > "The important thing is that the girl is ready and can tolerate > > > marriage," El-Azhary declared. > > > > > > He went on to protest proposed laws protecting women from violence, > > > warning that if allowed to pass husbands could be prosecuted for beating > > > their child brides or forcing themselves upon them. > > > > > > "If you have intercourse with your wife against her will, she will be > > > able to file a complaint against you," he said. "That's where things are > > > headed." > > > > > > Followers of the Salafi trend believe in a literal reading of the Quran > > > and hadith (traditions of Prophet Muhammad) and aspire to emulate the > > > lifestyle of the Prophet and his companions. Their puritanical approach > > > to Islam has put them at odds with secular Muslims and minority groups, > > > who denounce their intolerant worldview. > > > > > > For Salafis, the fundamental justification for child marriage is passages > > > in the hadith that state Prophet Muhammad married his third wife when she > > > was six years old, and consummated the marriage after her first menses at > > > nine. > > > > > > Sheikh Yasser Borhamy, spokesman for the Salafi Dawah, outlined his > > > interpretation of the Quranic texts during an interview with TV presenter > > > Wael El-Ebrashy. He argued that Egypt's marriage laws contradict the > > > provisions of Sharia (Islamic law), as girls should be married off once > > > they reach puberty, or before "if she can". > > > > > > "If Islam allowed it during the Prophet's time, it will be permissible > > > until the End of Days," Borhamy asserted. > > > > > > While Salafis represent just a small but vocal minority of Egyptians, the > > > recent election of an Islamist parliament and president has extended > > > their political clout. > > > > > > But what deeply concerns child rights advocates is that El-Azhary and > > > Borhamy are members of the committee tasked with drafting Egypt's new > > > constitution. And they are not alone. Other members of the > > > Islamist-stacked panel are known to share their views on child marriage > > > and may be attempting to enshrine them in the constitution. > > > > > > "We fought for years to raise the minimum age of marriage for girls (from > > > 16) to 18, and now the Islamists want to lower it," says women's rights > > > activist Azza Kamel. "There are Salafis arguing it should be as low as > > > nine." > > > Some battles may have already been lost. > > > > > > When a copy of the constitution's first draft circulated last month, > > > rights advocates were shocked to find that a proposed clause banning the > > > trafficking of women had been omitted. Salafi members of the drafting > > > committee had argued to have it removed on the grounds that human > > > trafficking "does not exist in Egypt" and its mere mention "tarnishes > > > Egypt's image." > > > > > > International agencies strongly disagree. According to a 2010 report by > > > the U.S. State Department, human trafficking exists at many levels in > > > Egypt. The country is a transit point and destination for trafficked > > > African and Asian women and children, who are subjected to forced labour > > > and prostitution. > > > > > > It is also a source of trafficked women, including young girls exploited > > > under the guise of marriage. > > > > > > Local NGO Memphis Foundation for Development says the phenomenon of child > > > marriage is widespread in Egypt, particularly in rural areas where > > > parents often marry off their daughters early to escape grinding poverty. > > > Research conducted in 2008 found that nearly a quarter of all marriages > > > involved girls under 16. > > > > > > Afaf Marei, director of the Egyptian Association for Community > > > Participation Enhancement (EACPE), says many of these underage girls are > > > sold by their parents to wealthy Gulf Arabs who come to Egypt in search > > > of "summer brides". > > > > > > The marriages are arranged by lawyers who act as brokers, and may last > > > from hours to months according to the "dowry" paid to the parents. Often > > > the transaction is made without the girl's knowledge or consent. > > > > > > "These marriages are a form of trafficking women (under the pretence of) > > > Islamic law," says Marei. > > > > > > The Muslim Brotherhood, the conservative Islamic group that dominated > > > this year's parliamentary and presidential polls, has kept a low profile > > > in the discourse on child marriage. While some reformists in the group > > > reject the practice, its hardline leaders were the principal opponents of > > > the 2008 law that raised the minimum marriage age of girls to 18. > > > > > > Now, as pressure mounts on the constitutional drafting body to have the > > > document ready by a Dec. 12 deadline, the Brotherhood's weight could > > > prove decisive both on the panel and at the polls. If the constitution > > > goes to a referendum without a clause explicitly banning the trafficking > > > of women, it is likely to pass given the Brotherhood's ability to rally > > > public support, say liberal activists. > > > > > > "We're fighting to win, but rationally I don't think we can," concedes > > > Amal Abdel Hadi, head of the New Women Foundation. "This is just one > > > battle and we're fighting the Islamists on even greater issues such as > > > (to guarantee) the equality of citizenship." (END) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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