hwakakakakk....haji kontol otak tai anjing....orang yg liat2 sampah lalu ngomongin tu sampah bau, jelas beda sama orang seperti lu yg berkubang didalam sampah tai ituuuu.....makan tu sampah (islam) !!....hwakakakakak.......
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:23 PM, rezameutia <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > > > Tu die yang gw maksud karena situs sampah yang bau, makanya anjing2 pada > demen maen di sampah. > > Abis, emang Kristen2 dogol bermental anjing demen banget makan taik sih. > > > --- In [email protected], Rahwana wrote: > > > > situs faithfreedom dibilang website sampah karena ngomongin sampah (baca: > > islam)....makanya yg punya sampah (orang islam) pada mencak2 kalo > sampahnya > > dikritik bau ....hwakakakakakak....... > > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 7:32 AM, rezameutia wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > Memang Kristen goblok kayak elo come and go di milis ini. > > > > > > Jadi, kutipan dari website sampah seperti faithfreedom, answering > islam, > > > itu mah barang basi disini. Buat Keristen dogol seperti elo, website > itu > > > merupakan barang baru, disini mah itu barang basi. > > > > > > Tapi, kan memang tipikal anjing Kristen seperti item, elo makanannya > emang > > > taik dan sampah, makanya gw sih nggak heran Kristen dogol seperti elo > kutip > > > website sampah itu berkali-kali. > > > > > > Lo copas tulisan "Perang Salib adalah Perang Defensif", nanti kalo > > > ditanggepin ama gw atau Johny, palingan omongan lo ngumpet dibalik nama > > > sejarahwan Madden. > > > > > > Sama lah ketika membahas Hitler adalah Kristen yang taat, lo bukannya > > > membahas pake data dan fakta, tapi lo malahan ngumpet dibalik nama > Bernard. > > > Tetep aja muter2 bawa nama Bernard mulu. > > > > > > Orang Kristen goblok kayak elo dan item memang kapasitas otaknya > terbatas > > > cuman bisanya copas, lalu setelah itu muter2 kayak anjing. Nggak ada > level > > > kecerdasan intelektual yang bisa mendukung argumen yang dibawa. > > > > > > Abis, emang segitu sih kapasitas otak lo. Keliatan kok, Kristen dogol > > > kayak elo memang sering copas website faithfreedom, answering islam, > dan > > > website sampah lainnya. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: > > > > > > > > WOW, I actually read the whole thing. sangat bagus. > > > > > > > > gw kutip sebagian yg berhubungan dengan beberapa topik debat terakhir > > > dimilis ini. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > Muslimin ternyata tidak dapat melihat gajah didepan > > > > mata, namun titik noda diseberang lautan mereka sangat > > > > suka membesar2kan. Perang Salib terjadi 900 tahun yang > > > > lalu (1095 A.D). Bagaimana dengan kejahatan Muslimin > > > > yang terjadi dulu dan sekarang ? Apakah petinggi Sunni > > > > ini juga meminta maaf bagi pembunuhan masal 9/11, atau > > > > pembantaian di Madrid, Beslan dsb dsb ? Bagaimana > > > > dengan invasi Eropa dan penjajahan Spanyol ? DImana > > > > permintaan maaf Muslim ? > > > > > > > > Dunia barat tidak memiliki satu alasanpun untuk > > > > meminta maaf kepada dunia Muslim. Thomas F. Madden, > > > > associate professor dan ketua Department of History di > > > > Universitas Saint Louis dan penulis "A Concise History > > > > of the Crusades" mengatakan, "PERANG SALIB ADALAH > > > > PERANG DEFENSIF." > > > > > > > > "Perang ini adalah tanggapan Barat yang terlambat atas > > > > invasi Muslim terhadap dua-pertiga dunia Kristen," ia > > > > tulis dalam kolum National Review."Pada permulaan abad > > > > 7-10, saat kaum Arab sibuk memperluas kekuasaan dan > > > > mencaplok negara2 sekelilingnya, Eropa sibuk membela > > > > diri melawan invasi bangsa2 lain. Hanya dalam abad ke > > > > 11 Eropa sanggup mencurahkan perhatian kepada orang2 > > > > Arab." > > > > > > > > Menurut Madden, peristiwa yang memulai Perang Salib > > > > adalah penjajahan Turki atas sebagian besar Asia Minor > > > > milik Kristen. > > > > "Kaisar Kristen di Konstantinopel, menghadapi > > > > lenyapnya setengah jumlah kekuasannya, kemudian > > > > meminta bantuan kepada Eropa. Ia mendapatkannya, malah > > > > lebih dari yang ia inginkan," tulis Madden. > > > > > > > > WorldNetDaily.com melaporkan: > > > > âDalam beberapa tahun akhir2 ini, pengumuman dari > > > > Al-Azhar menimbulkan kontroversi. Pada tahun 2003, > > > > Sheik Agung Al-Azhar, Muhamad Sayyid Tantawi, > > > > mengatakan bahwa berdasarkan hukum Islam, suicide > > > > bombers dianggap "martyrs". " > > > > > > > > Desember 2002, the Islamic Ruling Committee di > > > > Al-Azhar memutuskan bahwa kepemilikan senjata nuklir > > > > adalah kewajiban agama bagi negara2 Islam. Anggota > > > > panel tsb, Sheikh Ala A-Shanawi mengatakan, "Bangsa > > > > Islam harus mengenal musuh dan mempersiapkan diri." > > > > A-Shanawi menulis, "Rasulullah sendiri akan > > > > mempersiapkan diri dengan segala sumber yang > > > > dimungkinkan guna menghadapi musuh. Oleh karena itu, > > > > jika bangsa Islam tidak dilengkapi dengan persenjataan > > > > yang diinginkan, mereka terpaksa menderita > > > > konsekwensi." > > > > > > > > Dilanjutkannya, "Semua bangsa Islam diwajibkan untuk > > > > merebut persenjataan nuklir. Kami melihat bagaimana > > > > bangsa kita terbelakang akibat kurang persiapan, > > > > sementara musuh melengkapi diri dengan persenjataan > > > > yang paling maju, yang akan digunakannya untuk melukai > > > > dan menghancurkan Muslimin." > > > > > > > > Mengingat sejarah dan sikap Muslimin, menuntut Paus > > > > agar meminta maaf adalah sungguh keterlaluan. Pelaku > > > > perang Salib memang melebihi mandat dan terlibat > > > > tindakan brutal. Namun ini adalah balasan terhadap > > > > kebiadaban Muslimin. Mengapa para petinggti Muslim > > > > tidak menyebut barbaritas Muslim di Iran, Byzantium, > > > > Mesir atau India? Di India sendiri lebih dari 80 juta > > > > orang dibantai oleh pasukan Muslim. Ini lebih banyak > > > > dari korban total Perang Dunia I dan II. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > Si reza bakal tetap menyangkal tuh kalo memang crusade itu perang > > > defensif terhadap invasi islam, seperti yg gw bilang sebelumnya. > > > > > > > > si jon juga bakal nangis ngeraung2 dilantai kalo dia tau korban > diindia > > > oleh islam, ternyata jumlahnya melebihi perang dunia 1 dan 2. itu baru > > > diindia, belum ngitung totalnya. kalo ini bener islam taat jon, bunuh > bawa2 > > > ayat quran dan perintah nabi. bukan islam liberal hehe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Item abu sudah sering bilang bahwa Islam itu memang tidak mengenal > > > golden rule... > > > > > > > > > > Dan tahun 2005 sudah ada yang ngirim ini: > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/174859 > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > kayanya bener islam satu2nya agama yg tidak mengajarkan golden > rule. > > > > > > heck, i bet most of them dont even know what golden rule is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam and the Golden Rule > > > > > > by Ali Sina > > > > > > > > > > > > 30 May, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > From faithfreedom.org: > > > > > > > > > > > > Our friend Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, the indefatigable > defender > > > of > > > > > > the Western civilization, send me the following email and asked > me to > > > > > > answer to the criticism of a Muslim to an article that I wrote > four > > > > > > years ago on the incompatibility of Islam and the Golden Rule. > Here > > > is > > > > > > this Muslim's rebuttal and my response to him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently I came across an attack on your piece on Islam and the > > > Golden > > > > > > Rule. These passages below were cited in refutation. Any > guidance you > > > > > > can give me on responding to this would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Islamic Text on the Golden Rule: > > > > > > > > > > > > The Quran: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do good - to > > > > > > parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are > near, > > > > > > neighbors who are strangers, the companion by your side, the > wayfarer > > > > > > (ye meet), and what your right hands possess [the slave]: For God > > > loveth > > > > > > not the arrogant, the vainglorious" (Q:4:36) > > > > > > > > > > > > (In fact the Quran goes beyond saying the Golden Rule by stating > in > > > more > > > > > > than four places that "Return evil with Kindness." (13:22, > > > > > > 23:96, 41:34, 28:54, 42:40) > > > > > > > > > > > > Prophet Muhammad (pbuh): > > > > > > > > > > > > "None of you have faith until you love for your neighbor what you > > > > > > love for yourself" (Sahih Muslim) > > > > > > > > > > > > "Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and to enter > > > > > > Paradise should treat the people as he wishes to be treated." > > > > > > > (Sahih Muslim) > > > > > > > > > > > > "None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what > he > > > > > > wishes for himself" (Forty Hadith-Nawawi) > > > > > > > > > > > > "None of you is a believer if he eats his full while his > neighbour > > > > > > hasn't anything." (Musnad) > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do unto all men as you would wish to have done unto you; and > reject > > > > > > for others what you would reject for yourselves." (Abu Dawud) > > > > > > > > > > > > "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you." (Farewell Sermon) > > > > > > > > > > > > "There should be neither harming nor reciprocating harm." (Ibn- > > > > > > Majah) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Robert, > > > > > > > > > > > > The Quran is a book of double standards. Indeed, there are > > > exhortations > > > > > > to Muslims to be kind to the poor, the traveler, the orphan and > the > > > > > > sick. This is to be expected. If you want to start a religion you > > > must > > > > > > preach something good or you'd not find anyone to believe you. > You > > > > > > cannot preach only evil. In order to attract followers you must > teach > > > > > > things that people like and can easily identify as good. Once > they > > > > > > accept you as a prophet, guru or their spiritual guide, then you > can > > > do > > > > > > whatever you want and get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > The difference between a true spiritual teacher and a conman is > in > > > their > > > > > > consistency. There are several teachings of Muhammad that can be > > > > > > compared to those of Jesus, but the teachings of Jesus are > consistent > > > > > > while those of Muhammad are not. Even a criminal can give you > good > > > > > > advises, this does not mean this criminal is a good person. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I was young there was a radio show in Iran called A City > within > > > Our > > > > > > City. Every week the producer would interview a prison inmate on > > > death > > > > > > roll and the criminal would tell the story of his life and what > > > brought > > > > > > him to crime. At the end of the program the producer would ask, > > > whether > > > > > > the criminal had any advice for young people. These criminals > often > > > had > > > > > > the best advises. They knew exactly the difference between right > and > > > > > > wrong. I recall thinking, if only someone complied the advices of > > > these > > > > > > criminals he could write the best book of guidance. Good words > are > > > dime > > > > > > a dozen. If they are not accompanied by good actions they are > > > worthless. > > > > > > In fact the difference between a great man and a conman is in how > > > much > > > > > > their words and deeds differ. Even Obama came to power by giving > good > > > > > > talks. His entire life however was filled with crime and > chicanery. > > > > > > Demagogy is the domain of all charlatans and they are good at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > We find similar good exhortations in the teachings of Jim Jones > who > > > > > > actually based his religion on "social justice". He even adopted > > > > > > children from many races to set the example. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with the good teachings of Muhammad is that they are > > > > > > reserved for fellow Muslims. When the hadith says, "None of you > > > > > > [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes > for > > > > > > himself,."it is talking about the fellow Muslims. > > > > > > > > > > > > The brotherhood in Islam does not extend to everyone. The Quran > (9:23 > > > > > > ) states that > > > > > > the believers should not take for friends and protectors (awlia) > > > their > > > > > > fathers and brothers if they love Infidelity above Islam. In fact > > > there > > > > > > are many verses that tell the Muslims to kill the unbelievers > and be > > > > > > harsh to them. A clear example that Islam is not based on the > Golden > > > > > > Rule is the verse (48:29) > > > > > > : "Muhammad > > > > > > is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong > > > against > > > > > > Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other." This is the > > > > > > perfect definition of fascism. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many other verses that show the brotherhood in Islam > is not > > > > > > universal. The non believers have no rights and should not be > > > treated in > > > > > > the same way that Muslims are to be treated. The entire Quran is > a > > > > > > breach of the Golden Rule. The Quran tells Muslims to slay the > > > > > > unbelievers wherever they find them (2:191 > > > > > > ), do not > > > > > > befriend them (3:28 > > > > > > ), fight them > > > > > > and show them harshness (9:123 > > > > > > ), smite their > > > > > > heads (47:4 ), > > > > > > > > > > etc. Are these verses compatible with the Golden Rule? > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam is the only doctrine, that calls upon its believers to do > evil > > > to > > > > > > others for the simple fact that they are not believers. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Muslims it is not the Golden Rule that defines the > good > > > and > > > > > > bad, it is Muhammad who does it. They believe that what is good > for > > > > > > Islam is the highest virtue and what is bad for Islam is the > ultimate > > > > > > evil. This is the definition of good and evil in Islam. This is > the > > > > > > > > > ethos of all cults. From Asahara's "Aum Shinrikyo" to Jim > > > > > > Jones' "People's Temple"; from Sun Myung Moon's > > > > > > "Unification Chruch" to David Koresh's "Davidian > > > > > > Branch", the recurring theme is that the cult's interests > > > > > > override the human understanding of right and wrong. In order to > > > advance > > > > > > the interest of the cult, which is regarded as the ultimate good, > > > > > > everything, including lying, and even murder and assassination > are > > > > > > permissible. The end is deemed to be so lofty that it justifies > the > > > > > > means. This is the same idea of fascism where the glorification > of > > > the > > > > > > state and the total subordination of the individual to it are > > > enforced. > > > > > > > > > > > > None of the verse quoted above have anything to do with the > Golden > > > Rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse 13:22 tells the believers to be patient and generous with > their > > > > > > money. This is what all cults demand from their followers. The > more > > > > > > sacrifice the cultist make the more he or she can be manipulated. > > > Verse > > > > > > 23:96 asks Muslims to repel evil, whereas the definition of evil > for > > > > > > Muhammad was contradicting him. Verse 41:34 is a Meccan verse > where > > > > > > Muhammad and his followers were the underdogs and here he > preached > > > > > > patience and said repel evil with good so your enemy becomes as > > > friend. > > > > > > Could he have done anything else? These orders changed when > Muhammad > > > > > > came to power. In Medina Muhammad banished and massacred entire > > > > > > populations just because he suspected that they may not be > friendly > > > to > > > > > > him. 28:54 is a repetition of 23:96 and 42:40 says whoever > forgives > > > and > > > > > > amends, he shall have his reward from Allah. However, Muhammad > never > > > > > > forgave those who mocked him. As for Muhammad's unforgiving > nature > > > > > > it is enough to recall the fate of Oqba the man who when Muhammad > > > was in > > > > > > Mecca used to mock him and when he was captured in the Battle of > > > Badr, > > > > > > Muhammad ordered his decapitation. He ventured to expostulate, > and > > > > > > demand why he should be treated more vigorously than the other > > > captives > > > > > > who were kept for ransom. `Because of your enmity to God and to > his > > > > > > Prophet,' replied Muhammad. `And my little girl!' cried > > > > > > Oqba, in the bitterness of his soul, `Who will take care of > > > > > > her?' `Hellfire!' exclaimed the heartless conqueror; > > > > > > > and on the instant his victim was hewn to the ground. `Wretch > that > > > > > > he was!' continued Muhammad, `and persecutor! Unbeliever in > > > > > > God, in his Prophet, and in his Book! I give thanks unto the Lord > > > that > > > > > > has slain you, and comforted mine eyes thereby.'[1] > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you reconcile the claim that Muhammad in his farewell > sermon > > > > > > said, "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you." With the fact > > > > > > that in his deathbed he said, "No two religions are allowed in > > > > > > Arabia" and ordered the forced conversion, expulsion or ethnic > > > > > > cleansing of the Jews and Christian and the murder of Pagans? > > > > > > > > > > > > The sura 9, which is the last words of Muhammad, is a manifesto > of > > > > > > discrimination and human rights abuses. This sura alone is proof > that > > > > > > Islam is against the Golden Rule > > > > > > > > > > > > The first requisite to feel the pain and suffering of others is > to > > > > > > accept that they have feelings like us and they also feel hurt > the > > > way > > > > > > we do. If we deny such feelings on others we do not feel any > remorse > > > in > > > > > > abusing them. Muhammad claimed all those who disbelieve in Allah > are > > > the > > > > > > worst creatures. He even said that all non-believers will end up > in > > > hell > > > > > > where they will be tortured for eternity. How then Muslims can > treat > > > > > > equally those whom they believe to be worst than beast and that > > > deserve > > > > > > eternal punishment? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing in the Quran and Hadith that would make us > believe > > > that > > > > > > Islam is compatible with the Golden Rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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