Di Islam itu, kalo cewek diperkosa, maka itu salah si cewek krn bikin yg merkosa horny.
Makanya cewek hrs dikarungin. On 1/29/13, Bukan Pedanda <[email protected]> wrote: > > Di agama najis Islam yang layaknya dibuang jauh-jauh itu memang nggk ada > golden rule itu... > > Tapi di agama Nasrani yang manusiawi ada: > > Mattius 7:12 > > "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye > even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." > > > --- In [email protected], Musik hari Ini wrote: >> >> Mana ada the golden rule dalam agama pagan? >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Nub >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:33 PM >> Subject: [proletar] Re: Islam and the Golden Rule >> >> >>  >> WOW, I actually read the whole thing. sangat bagus. >> >> gw kutip sebagian yg berhubungan dengan beberapa topik debat terakhir >> dimilis ini. >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> Muslimin ternyata tidak dapat melihat gajah didepan >> mata, namun titik noda diseberang lautan mereka sangat >> suka membesar2kan. Perang Salib terjadi 900 tahun yang >> lalu (1095 A.D). Bagaimana dengan kejahatan Muslimin >> yang terjadi dulu dan sekarang ? Apakah petinggi Sunni >> ini juga meminta maaf bagi pembunuhan masal 9/11, atau >> pembantaian di Madrid, Beslan dsb dsb ? Bagaimana >> dengan invasi Eropa dan penjajahan Spanyol ? DImana >> permintaan maaf Muslim ? >> >> Dunia barat tidak memiliki satu alasanpun untuk >> meminta maaf kepada dunia Muslim. Thomas F. Madden, >> associate professor dan ketua Department of History di >> Universitas Saint Louis dan penulis "A Concise History >> of the Crusades" mengatakan, "PERANG SALIB ADALAH >> PERANG DEFENSIF." >> >> "Perang ini adalah tanggapan Barat yang terlambat atas >> invasi Muslim terhadap dua-pertiga dunia Kristen," ia >> tulis dalam kolum National Review."Pada permulaan abad >> 7-10, saat kaum Arab sibuk memperluas kekuasaan dan >> mencaplok negara2 sekelilingnya, Eropa sibuk membela >> diri melawan invasi bangsa2 lain. Hanya dalam abad ke >> 11 Eropa sanggup mencurahkan perhatian kepada orang2 >> Arab." >> >> Menurut Madden, peristiwa yang memulai Perang Salib >> adalah penjajahan Turki atas sebagian besar Asia Minor >> milik Kristen. >> "Kaisar Kristen di Konstantinopel, menghadapi >> lenyapnya setengah jumlah kekuasannya, kemudian >> meminta bantuan kepada Eropa. Ia mendapatkannya, malah >> lebih dari yang ia inginkan," tulis Madden. >> >> WorldNetDaily.com melaporkan: >> â€Å"Dalam beberapa tahun akhir2 ini, pengumuman dari >> Al-Azhar menimbulkan kontroversi. Pada tahun 2003, >> Sheik Agung Al-Azhar, Muhamad Sayyid Tantawi, >> mengatakan bahwa berdasarkan hukum Islam, suicide >> bombers dianggap "martyrs". " >> >> Desember 2002, the Islamic Ruling Committee di >> Al-Azhar memutuskan bahwa kepemilikan senjata nuklir >> adalah kewajiban agama bagi negara2 Islam. Anggota >> panel tsb, Sheikh Ala A-Shanawi mengatakan, "Bangsa >> Islam harus mengenal musuh dan mempersiapkan diri." >> A-Shanawi menulis, "Rasulullah sendiri akan >> mempersiapkan diri dengan segala sumber yang >> dimungkinkan guna menghadapi musuh. Oleh karena itu, >> jika bangsa Islam tidak dilengkapi dengan persenjataan >> yang diinginkan, mereka terpaksa menderita >> konsekwensi." >> >> Dilanjutkannya, "Semua bangsa Islam diwajibkan untuk >> merebut persenjataan nuklir. Kami melihat bagaimana >> bangsa kita terbelakang akibat kurang persiapan, >> sementara musuh melengkapi diri dengan persenjataan >> yang paling maju, yang akan digunakannya untuk melukai >> dan menghancurkan Muslimin." >> >> Mengingat sejarah dan sikap Muslimin, menuntut Paus >> agar meminta maaf adalah sungguh keterlaluan. Pelaku >> perang Salib memang melebihi mandat dan terlibat >> tindakan brutal. Namun ini adalah balasan terhadap >> kebiadaban Muslimin. Mengapa para petinggti Muslim >> tidak menyebut barbaritas Muslim di Iran, Byzantium, >> Mesir atau India? Di India sendiri lebih dari 80 juta >> orang dibantai oleh pasukan Muslim. Ini lebih banyak >> dari korban total Perang Dunia I dan II. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> Si reza bakal tetap menyangkal tuh kalo memang crusade itu perang defensif >> terhadap invasi islam, seperti yg gw bilang sebelumnya. >> >> si jon juga bakal nangis ngeraung2 dilantai kalo dia tau korban diindia >> oleh islam, ternyata jumlahnya melebihi perang dunia 1 dan 2. itu baru >> diindia, belum ngitung totalnya. kalo ini bener islam taat jon, bunuh >> bawa2 ayat quran dan perintah nabi. bukan islam liberal hehe >> >> --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" wrote: >> > >> > >> > Item abu sudah sering bilang bahwa Islam itu memang tidak mengenal >> > golden rule... >> > >> > Dan tahun 2005 sudah ada yang ngirim ini: >> > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/174859 >> > >> > --- In [email protected], "Nub" wrote: >> > > >> > > kayanya bener islam satu2nya agama yg tidak mengajarkan golden rule. >> > > heck, i bet most of them dont even know what golden rule is. >> > > >> > > Islam and the Golden Rule >> > > by Ali Sina >> > > >> > > 30 May, 2009 >> > > >> > > From faithfreedom.org: >> > > >> > > Our friend Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, the indefatigable defender >> > > of >> > > the Western civilization, send me the following email and asked me to >> > > answer to the criticism of a Muslim to an article that I wrote four >> > > years ago on the incompatibility of Islam and the Golden Rule. Here >> > > is >> > > this Muslim's rebuttal and my response to him. >> > > >> > > Recently I came across an attack on your piece on Islam and the >> > > Golden >> > > Rule. These passages below were cited in refutation. Any guidance you >> > > can give me on responding to this would be greatly appreciated. >> > > >> > > Islamic Text on the Golden Rule: >> > > >> > > The Quran: >> > > >> > > "Serve God, and join not any partners with Him; and do good - to >> > > parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are near, >> > > neighbors who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer >> > > (ye meet), and what your right hands possess [the slave]: For God >> > > loveth >> > > not the arrogant, the vainglorious" (Q:4:36) >> > > >> > > (In fact the Quran goes beyond saying the Golden Rule by stating in >> > > more >> > > than four places that "Return evil with Kindness." (13:22, >> > > 23:96, 41:34, 28:54, 42:40) >> > > >> > > Prophet Muhammad (pbuh): >> > > >> > > "None of you have faith until you love for your neighbor what you >> > > love for yourself" (Sahih Muslim) >> > > >> > > "Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and to enter >> > > Paradise…should treat the people as he wishes to be treated." >> > > (Sahih Muslim) >> > > >> > > "None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he >> > > wishes for himself" (Forty Hadith-Nawawi) >> > > >> > > "None of you is a believer if he eats his full while his neighbour >> > > hasn't anything." (Musnad) >> > > >> > > "Do unto all men as you would wish to have done unto you; and reject >> > > for others what you would reject for yourselves." (Abu Dawud) >> > > >> > > "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you." (Farewell Sermon) >> > > >> > > "There should be neither harming nor reciprocating harm." (Ibn- >> > > Majah) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hello Robert, >> > > >> > > The Quran is a book of double standards. Indeed, there are >> > > exhortations >> > > to Muslims to be kind to the poor, the traveler, the orphan and the >> > > sick. This is to be expected. If you want to start a religion you >> > > must >> > > preach something good or you'd not find anyone to believe you. You >> > > cannot preach only evil. In order to attract followers you must teach >> > > things that people like and can easily identify as good. Once they >> > > accept you as a prophet, guru or their spiritual guide, then you can >> > > do >> > > whatever you want and get away with it. >> > > >> > > The difference between a true spiritual teacher and a conman is in >> > > their >> > > consistency. There are several teachings of Muhammad that can be >> > > compared to those of Jesus, but the teachings of Jesus are consistent >> > > while those of Muhammad are not. Even a criminal can give you good >> > > advises, this does not mean this criminal is a good person. >> > > >> > > When I was young there was a radio show in Iran called A City within >> > > Our >> > > City. Every week the producer would interview a prison inmate on >> > > death >> > > roll and the criminal would tell the story of his life and what >> > > brought >> > > him to crime. At the end of the program the producer would ask, >> > > whether >> > > the criminal had any advice for young people. These criminals often >> > > had >> > > the best advises. They knew exactly the difference between right and >> > > wrong. I recall thinking, if only someone complied the advices of >> > > these >> > > criminals he could write the best book of guidance. Good words are >> > > dime >> > > a dozen. If they are not accompanied by good actions they are >> > > worthless. >> > > In fact the difference between a great man and a conman is in how >> > > much >> > > their words and deeds differ. Even Obama came to power by giving good >> > > talks. His entire life however was filled with crime and chicanery. >> > > Demagogy is the domain of all charlatans and they are good at it. >> > > >> > > We find similar good exhortations in the teachings of Jim Jones who >> > > actually based his religion on "social justice". He even adopted >> > > children from many races to set the example. >> > > >> > > The problem with the good teachings of Muhammad is that they are >> > > reserved for fellow Muslims. When the hadith says, "None of you >> > > [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for >> > > himself,."it is talking about the fellow Muslims. >> > > >> > > The brotherhood in Islam does not extend to everyone. The Quran (9:23 >> > > ) states that >> > > the believers should not take for friends and protectors (awlia) >> > > their >> > > fathers and brothers if they love Infidelity above Islam. In fact >> > > there >> > > are many verses that tell the Muslims to kill the unbelievers and be >> > > harsh to them. A clear example that Islam is not based on the Golden >> > > Rule is the verse (48:29) >> > > : "Muhammad >> > > is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong >> > > against >> > > Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other." This is the >> > > perfect definition of fascism. >> > > >> > > There are many other verses that show the brotherhood in Islam is not >> > > universal. The non believers have no rights and should not be treated >> > > in >> > > the same way that Muslims are to be treated. The entire Quran is a >> > > breach of the Golden Rule. The Quran tells Muslims to slay the >> > > unbelievers wherever they find them (2:191 >> > > ), do not >> > > befriend them (3:28 >> > > ), fight them >> > > and show them harshness (9:123 >> > > ), smite their >> > > heads (47:4 ), >> > > etc. Are these verses compatible with the Golden Rule? >> > > >> > > Islam is the only doctrine, that calls upon its believers to do evil >> > > to >> > > others for the simple fact that they are not believers. >> > > >> > > According to Muslims it is not the Golden Rule that defines the good >> > > and >> > > bad, it is Muhammad who does it. They believe that what is good for >> > > Islam is the highest virtue and what is bad for Islam is the ultimate >> > > evil. This is the definition of good and evil in Islam. This is the >> > > ethos of all cults. From Asahara's "Aum Shinrikyo" to Jim >> > > Jones' "People's Temple"; from Sun Myung Moon's >> > > "Unification Chruch" to David Koresh's "Davidian >> > > Branch", the recurring theme is that the cult's interests >> > > override the human understanding of right and wrong. In order to >> > > advance >> > > the interest of the cult, which is regarded as the ultimate good, >> > > everything, including lying, and even murder and assassination are >> > > permissible. The end is deemed to be so lofty that it justifies the >> > > means. This is the same idea of fascism where the glorification of >> > > the >> > > state and the total subordination of the individual to it are >> > > enforced. >> > > >> > > None of the verse quoted above have anything to do with the Golden >> > > Rule. >> > > >> > > Verse 13:22 tells the believers to be patient and generous with their >> > > money. This is what all cults demand from their followers. The more >> > > sacrifice the cultist make the more he or she can be manipulated. >> > > Verse >> > > 23:96 asks Muslims to repel evil, whereas the definition of evil for >> > > Muhammad was contradicting him. Verse 41:34 is a Meccan verse where >> > > Muhammad and his followers were the underdogs and here he preached >> > > patience and said repel evil with good so your enemy becomes as >> > > friend. >> > > Could he have done anything else? These orders changed when Muhammad >> > > came to power. In Medina Muhammad banished and massacred entire >> > > populations just because he suspected that they may not be friendly >> > > to >> > > him. 28:54 is a repetition of 23:96 and 42:40 says whoever forgives >> > > and >> > > amends, he shall have his reward from Allah. However, Muhammad never >> > > forgave those who mocked him. As for Muhammad's unforgiving nature >> > > it is enough to recall the fate of Oqba the man who when Muhammad was >> > > in >> > > Mecca used to mock him and when he was captured in the Battle of >> > > Badr, >> > > Muhammad ordered his decapitation. He ventured to expostulate, and >> > > demand why he should be treated more vigorously than the other >> > > captives >> > > who were kept for ransom. `Because of your enmity to God and to his >> > > Prophet,' replied Muhammad. `And my little girl!' cried >> > > Oqba, in the bitterness of his soul, `Who will take care of >> > > her?' â€" `Hellfire!' exclaimed the heartless conqueror; >> > > and on the instant his victim was hewn to the ground. `Wretch that >> > > he was!' continued Muhammad, `and persecutor! Unbeliever in >> > > God, in his Prophet, and in his Book! I give thanks unto the Lord >> > > that >> > > has slain you, and comforted mine eyes thereby.'[1] >> > > >> > > How do you reconcile the claim that Muhammad in his farewell sermon >> > > said, "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you." With the fact >> > > that in his deathbed he said, "No two religions are allowed in >> > > Arabia" and ordered the forced conversion, expulsion or ethnic >> > > cleansing of the Jews and Christian and the murder of Pagans? >> > > >> > > The sura 9, which is the last words of Muhammad, is a manifesto of >> > > discrimination and human rights abuses. This sura alone is proof that >> > > Islam is against the Golden Rule >> > > >> > > The first requisite to feel the pain and suffering of others is to >> > > accept that they have feelings like us and they also feel hurt the >> > > way >> > > we do. If we deny such feelings on others we do not feel any remorse >> > > in >> > > abusing them. Muhammad claimed all those who disbelieve in Allah are >> > > the >> > > worst creatures. He even said that all non-believers will end up in >> > > hell >> > > where they will be tortured for eternity. How then Muslims can treat >> > > equally those whom they believe to be worst than beast and that >> > > deserve >> > > eternal punishment? >> > > >> > > There is nothing in the Quran and Hadith that would make us believe >> > > that >> > > Islam is compatible with the Golden Rule. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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