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--- In [email protected], itemabu2 wrote: > > Uskup Worcester membatalkan Robert Spencer dr JihadWatch sbg pembicara > di sebuah konperensi katolik atas permintaan orang Islam. > > Dlm doktrin katolik karangan gereja Vatican, Islam itu emang dianggap > sbg sodara seiman oleh Katolik, jadi ga heran kalo gereja Katolik > rajin ngejilat pantat Islam. > > ("But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the > Creator. In the first place among these are the Muslims who, > professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one > and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind." (LG. #16)") > > Apa yg dilakukan suryana itu jadinya didukung oleh gereja Katolik, > entah disadari oleh suryana apa kagak. > > Memang ada bbrp kekonyolan di beberapa aliran "Kristen" spt Katolik > atau Salsi Yehovah, mereka merasa lbh dekat ke Islam drpd ke aliran > Protestan biarpun dgn alasan yg berbeda2. Katolik mungkin merasa, > musuh dr musuhku adalah temanku, krn Protestan itu ga ngakui kekuasaan > Paus dan Vatican, maka Protestan adalah musuh Katolik, otomatis Islam > jadi teman Katolik. Saksi Yehova merasa Islam dan Saksi Yehova sama2 > unitarian, jadi Islam lbh dekat ke mereka. > > Tapi memang ada satu persamaan antara Islam, Katolik dan Saksi Yehova, > Muhammad, gereja Katolik dan Menara Pengawas dari Saksi Yehova itu > adalah tukang tipu semuanya. > > > http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/02/worcester-bishop-spencers-talk-about-extreme-militant-islamists-and-the-atrocities-that-they-have-pe.html#comments > > Worcester bishop: "Spencer's talk about extreme, militant > Islamists...might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics > have attained in our inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims" > > Bishop Robert McManus of Worcester, Massachusetts canceled my > scheduled address to this Catholic Men's Conference on March 16 after > pressure from an Islamic supremacist who is an open "friend and > supporter" of a convicted jihad terrorist. In the letter below, he > justifies his action; my comments are interspersed. > > Bishop McManus called me last Wednesday morning, but it was a wrong > number: he was calling someone named "Steve" and somehow dialed my > number by mistake. I seized the opportunity, told him who I was, and > asked for a face-to-face meeting (which I have previously requested in > a phone message to his office and in emails to him, his secretary, and > his spokesman). He said he was in the airport in Dallas and would call > me back; he never did, and up to this point I have not received the > courtesy of any kind of reply from anyone to my requests for a > meeting. > > Here is the petition that is circulating asking Bishop McManus to > allow me to speak after all. > > "Catholic Men's Conference opens ticket sales," from Catholic Free > Press, February 8 (thanks to Tom): > > Bishop shares concerns about conference speaker > > My dear friends in Christ, > > It is fitting that as the universal Church celebrates the fiftieth > anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council, I as your > bishop, who am called to work to implement authentically the teachings > of this historic council, should reflect on the various documents of > this momentous Church event. > > In light of my recent decision to rescind the invitation to Mr. > Robert Spencer to speak at the Catholic Men's Conference next month on > the topic of Islam in its relation to Christianity, I should like to > reflect briefly on the conciliar document entitled, The Dogmatic > Constitution on the Church (Lumen Gentium), specifically on paragraph > 16 of Chapter 2 which speaks about the special relationship that > Christianity has to Islam. The paragraph states, "But the plan of > salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the > first place among these are the Muslims who, professing to hold the > faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on > the last day will judge mankind." (LG. #16)" > > It is indeed important to "reflect" on what that text means. I do so > at length in my book Not Peace But A Sword, which will be published > March 25 by Catholic Answers. Does it mean that we are not to speak > about the theological difference between Christianity and Islam, or > about the Qur'anic roots of Muslim persecution of Christians, or > related issues? I don't think so. Bishop McManus says below that it > means that Catholics should engage in "inter-religious dialogue with > Muslims." Fine. Should that dialogue proceed on the basis of ignoring > unpleasant truths, or of discussing them, respectfully and openly? > > As a result of such a theologically salient statement, the > Catholic Church has engaged herself in inter-religious dialogue with > Muslims. This dialogue has produced a harvest of mutual respect, > understanding and cooperation throughout the world and here in the > Commonwealth of Massachusetts. > > "A harvest of mutual respect, understanding and cooperation throughout > the world"? I wonder if the bishop would be so kind as to provide even > one example of where inter-religious dialogue between the Catholic > Church and Muslims has "produced a harvest of mutual respect, > understanding and cooperation." Sure, the Muslim leaders in > Massachusetts assure him of their good will -- but remember, in > canceling my appearance he is catering to the demands of a "friend and > supporter" of a convicted jihad terrorist. > > And meanwhile, here is that harvest of mutual respect, understanding > and cooperation throughout the world over the last few days: > > Syria: Jihadist rebels loot Christian church, homes > > Libya: Muslims threaten nuns, force them to leave the country > > Iran sentences U.S. pastor to eight years prison for threatening > Iran's "national security" by leading Christian house churches > > Egypt: Anti-Christian hostility heats up amid unrest > > Turkey: 85-year-old Christian woman repeatedly stabbed, cross carved > onto her corpse > > All this is over just the last few weeks. And there is much, much > more, as a quick perusal of the Jihad Watch archives will reveal. But > let's imagine for the sake of argument that Roman Catholics elsewhere > are indeed reaping a "harvest of mutual respect, understanding and > cooperation throughout the world" from their dialogue with Muslims. > Would that dialogue not be more fruitful if it actually discussed real > difficulties between Christians and Muslims, the root causes of those > difficulties, and ways to remedy them? > > My decision to ask Mr. Spencer not to speak at the Men's > Conference resulted from a concern voiced by members of the Islamic > community in Massachusetts, a concern that I came to share. That > concern was that Mr. Spencer's talk about extreme, militant Islamists > and the atrocities that they have perpetrated globally might undercut > the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our > inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims and possibly generate > suspicion and even fear of people who practice piously the religion of > Islam. > > Nota bene: He never asked me not to speak. He never communicated with > me at all, except for that wrong number call. > > But in any case, why would a talk about "extreme, militant Islamists > and the atrocities that they have perpetrated globally" undercut > dialogue with Muslims who profess to reject those atrocities and the > interpretation of Islam that underlies and justifies them? If they > reject the jihadists' understanding of Islam, why wouldn't they > welcome and applaud an honest discussion of that understanding of > Islam, which presumably they oppose as much as I do? > > And my talk would generate "suspicion and even fear of people who > practice piously the religion of Islam"? Islamic supremacist talking > point. I have consistently stood for equality of rights of all people > before the law and denounced all action against innocent people. Only > those who wish to discredit my work so as to clear away obstacles > before the advancing jihad claim otherwise. > > In press reports concerning the cancellation of Mr. Spencer's > presentation, it was inaccurately stated that my decision was based on > my wanting to avoid a media event unfavorable to the Diocese of > Worcester. That was not the case. > > The source for this is one of his own clergy: "Monsignor Thomas > Sullivan, lead organizer of the men's conference, told the Telegram & > Gazette that some groups, including members of the Islamic Society of > Greater Worcester, perceive Mr. Spencer as anti-Islamic. While the > diocese does not share that view, he said, the invitation was > withdrawn to avoid 'a media outcry.'" -- Worcester Telegram > > Others in some messages they sent to me, most of which were less > than charitable and civil, claimed that I had "caved in to the demands > of Islamic supremacists." > > As to caving in to Islamic supremacists, it is a pity that Bishop > McManus doesn't address the fact that in cancelling my talk he was > acceding to the demands of an open "friend and supporter" of a > convicted jihad terrorist. But his complaint that most of the messages > he received were "less than charitable and civil" I regard with > skepticism. I asked people to write to him "politely and courteously," > and the overwhelming majority of the many, many such letters that were > copied to me were indeed polite and courteous. In saying this, he is > implying that the people who oppose his decision to drop my talk are > hateful louts, rather than people concerned for the defense of human > rights against Sharia oppression, and for persecuted non-Muslims in > Muslim countries. It is unfortunate to see a Roman Catholic bishop > picking up a smear tactic that Islamic supremacists frequently use to > try to intimidate people into thinking that there is something wrong > with speaking out against that oppression and persecution. > > This of course is uninformed nonsense. In fact, I based my > decision solely on the concern that Mr. Spencer's talk would impact > negatively on the Church's increasingly constructive dialogue with > Muslims. > > "Increasingly constructive dialogue"? Constructive how? Has it > resulted in fewer Christians being persecuted in Pakistan, Indonesia, > Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Nigeria, or the other countries were Muslims are > brutalizing and terrorizing them? Has it resulted in a reform or > rejection of the Islamic texts and teachings mandating warfare against > and subjugation of Christians and other non-Muslims (cf. Qur'an 9:29)? > > How is dialogue improved by ignoring unpleasant facts? > > The Catholic Men's Conference is a wonderful opportunity for men > to come together to reflect on their spiritual lives and to become > better informed about their Catholic faith and its implications for > their daily living. Since the Diocese of Worcester sponsors this event > annually, we concluded that a speaker whose focus would be on the > danger of militant Islamist jihad, a topic that might be appropriate > at a conference on international politics with a forum for debate, was > not suitable for our conference. > > That's another point: that a talk like mine simply wouldn't fit in > with a conference about faith and spirituality. Fair enough. But the > conference organizers invited me last June; clearly they thought my > talk would fit right in. And the Bishop didn't seem to have a problem > with my being there until the Islamic supremacists and mainstream > media began making a fuss. Coincidence of coincidences, then he > discovered my talk just didn't fit in. > > It is true that Christians in parts of the world where Islam is > the dominant religion have suffered and continue to suffer persecution > at the hands of Islamist extremists and terrorists. Our local Muslim > leaders themselves have publicly described these violent Muslim > militants as "heretics" and have condemned such abominable acts. We > hold our Christian brothers and sisters who are enduring such > persecution in our prayers as we vigorously support every effort to > work diplomatically for their protection and well-being. > > I'm glad they've condemned the persecutors as "heretics," although I'd > be interested to know on what Islamic grounds they did so. In any > case, here again -- if this is so, why would they be so threatened by > a discussion of the beliefs that gave rise to the persecution in the > first place, and of how free people can respond effectively to that > persecution? Shouldn't they be joining in such an honest discussion, > rather than trying to shut it down? > > During this Year of Faith proclaimed by Pope Benedict XVI and > especially during the holy season of Lent that we are soon entering, I > ask that we call on the Holy Spirit to encourage us to share our faith > with others, especially our brothers and sisters of other faiths, in > order to further the crucial mission of the New Evangelization. As we > seek to introduce the Lord Jesus to others, let us pray that our > personal and ecclesial witness of faith may help others to know and > love Christ who is our Way, our Truth and our Life. > > Most Reverend Robert J. McManus > Bishop of Worcester > > I'll be there on March 16 -- at an exhibitor's table or outside. > Posted by Robert on February 9, 2013 4:32 PM | 10 Comments > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
