Ni orang jelas Islami: udah dungu kayak anjing, demen ngirim posting sekedar cuap-cuap kayak nonok bebek yang baru dientotin monyet bonobo, tanpa bawa argumen.
--- In [email protected], arya <arya.yok@...> wrote: > > halah, spt itu dikatai sama > beda lain lagi ttetep dikatai sama > kek tk ojek ajah om > > > On 6/8/2013 6:52 PM, Bukan Pedanda wrote: > > > > > > Jadi: orang Arab primitif penyusun khurafah najis al-Mushaf itu nyontek > > dari teks salah satu sekte Nasrani unitarian... > > > > Seperti telah dijelaskan oleh Lulling. > > > > Dan kemudian mereka tambahkan dongeng yang beredar di Timur Tengah ketika > > orng Arab primitif itu menulis khurafah najis al-Mushaf itu, seperti > > dongeng tentng orang yagn ketiduran bertahun-tahun disebuah gua.. > > > > Lantas ditambahnya dengan catatan adat istiadat orang arab primitif, > > seperti adat nimpuk setan di padang pasir, muter-muter disekeliling Kaabah > > dll. > > > > Itulah isi khurafah najis al-Mushaf itu. > > > > Agar jelas: khurafah najis al-Mushaf itu TIDAK berisi wahyu allah yang nota > > bene tidak berbukti ada. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Tawangalun" <tawangalun@> wrote: > >> > >> Gak ada hubungan antara Kristennya bangsa dg kemajuan bangsa tsb. > >> Eropah Amerika sekarang gereja2 sudah kosong harusnya teknologynya jadi > >> tertinggal kenyataannya enggak kan. > >> Amerika Latin masih banyak Kristen tapi sejak dulu gak maju2. > >> Lalu Alkitabnya Katolik ternyata lebih banyak 180 halaman dibanding > >> Alkitabnya Protestan,Saksi Yehovah juga.Jadi antara denominasi Kristen > >> Alkitabnya beda2. > >> Lalu soal nyontek,Kristen nyontek Perjanjian Lama mentah2 sebab > >> Ulangan,Bilangan,Kejadian,Maleachi,Mazmur,Keluaran dll itu bukan Kitabnya > >> Yesus tapi Nabi2 sebelumnya,tapi semua langsung ditelen.Nek Quran memang > >> ada yg sama dg Alkitab ,asal yg masih asli yo sama wong satu sumber tapi > >> kan Islam gak nelen mentah2 Perjanjian Lama dan Perjanjian Baru. > >> > >> Paulus Anak Wedus. > >> > >> --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Pak Ballast,sekedar berbagi info. > >>> 1. Memang ada banyak versi Alkitab / Bible tetapi perbedaan yg ada hanya > >>> bertalian dengan bahasanya. Misalnya, King James Bible bahasanya sudah > >>> archaic (kuno) sehingga kurang difahami oleh jemaat masa kini. Tidak ada > >>> perbedaan isi atau messaage dari kitab2 dan ayat2 Bible. > >>> 2. Mnrt anda tidak logis kalau ada orang yg menyontek Perjanjian Lama dan > >>> Perjanjian Baru. Kenyataan di lapangan banyak ayat2 Al Qur'an yg sangat > >>> mirip dengan ayat2 Alkitab. Mungkin saja ini karena kebetulan. Yg jelas > >>> Perjanjian Lama itu sudah dikenal, ditulis, diajarkan lebih dari 2,000 > >>> tahun sebelum nuzul Al Qur'an. Perjanjian Baru sudah selesai ditulis pada > >>> tahun 70 Masehi jadi lebih dari 600 tahun sebelum nuzul Qur'an. > >>> 3.Salah satu contoh similarity / persamaan kita lihat dari Doa Yahudi > >>> (P.L.) yg namanya Ha Patach dengan Surat Al Fatiha. (Dua hari yg lalu aku > >>> kirim Ha Patach tsb.) > >>> 4. Anda benar praktis tidak ada orang Kristen yg hafal ayat2 Alkitab. > >>> Perlu kita pertanyakan apakah seseorang yg hafal ayat2 sebuah kitab suci, > >>> otomatis menjadi orang yg baik? Lebih2 kalau kita ingat bhw sebagian > >>> besar umat Islam tidak mengerti Bahasa Arab. Ini artinya bhw sebagian > >>> besar umat Islam sebenarnya tidak mengerti apa yg mereka ikrarkan. > >>> 5. Mungkin ada orang2 yg merasa puas kalau merussak, merobek2 Alkitab > >>> (for that matter Al Qur'an dsb.) Bagi umat Kristiani Alkitab itu adalah > >>> sekedar buku, karenanya tidak mungkin suci atau dapat membawa pahala. Yg > >>> sangat penting adalah ajaran yg terkandung dalam Bible tsb. Kalau orang > >>> mengamalkan ajaran yg mulia, maka orang tsb berkenan kpd Tuhan. > >>> 6. Kalau anda jujur penganut agama mana yg (i) Kehidupannya secara umum > >>> tidak mapan, tidak sejahtera? (ii) Umat beragama mana yg sepanjang > >>> sejarah dan khususnya dlm sejak abad ke-15 ketinggalan kemajuan dlm > >>> banyak bidang: science, health, politic, social dsb? (iii) Umat mana yg > >>> banyak trerlibat dlm perseteruan, pembunuhan, kejahatan, anti sosial dan > >>> tindak terorisme? - bahkan di antara umat yg seagama? (iv) Umat beragama > >>> mana yg masih melakukan penindasan, pelecehan, thdp kaum perempuan? > >>> > >>> Wasalam > >>> > >>> Gabriella > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Ballast Yo <yo.balast@> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2013 4:03 PM > >>> Subject: Re: R: [proletar] Komposisi Quran > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>  > >>> hal yg jauh dari logika kalau ada suatu kitab mau mencontoh bibel. > >>> tahu kenapa? > >>> enggak kan? > >>> itu krn bibel sendiri selalu direvisi. Orang kristen aja enggak ada yg > >>> hapal kok. lagian ngapain dihapalin, di turki sudah ketemu injil yg lebih > >>> sesuai. > >>> dulu..ada orang israel/yahudi dikirimi bibel malah disobek2. itu tandanya > >>> bhw bibel itu membuat pengaruh buruk thd bgs yahudi dan juga bagi bangsa2 > >>> di dunia. faham? > >>> > >>> --- On Sat, 6/8/13, SA <susan_th45@> wrote: > >>> > >>>> From: SA <susan_th45@> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Kelemahan Islam adalah memplagiat dua Kitab Suci > >>>> terdahulu,ingin membuat Kitab sendiri yang sempurna,ternyata > >>>> semakin kelihatan jejak2 plagiatnya,semakin banyak ditemukan > >>>> kontradiksi. > >>>> > >>>> Ketegangan soal Kitab Suci antar ketiga agama ini akan > >>>> hilang atau berkurang, jika umat Islam menjadikan quran > >>>> sebagai Kitab Suci mereka tetapi digandeng dengan Taurat > >>>> dan Alkitab sebagai Kitab2 pendahulu, kurang lebih sama > >>>> seperti umat Kristiani mengadopsi Taurat sebagai Perjanjian > >>>> Lama. > >>>> > >>>> Jadi komposisi quran seharusnya: Perjanjian Lama, Perjanjian > >>>> Baru dan Quran sebagai satu kesatuan Kitab Suci Islam. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- Sab 8/6/13, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>  Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > >>>> > >>>>  [proletar] (unknown) > >>>> > >>>>  "[email protected]" > >>>> <[email protected]> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>  > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Negara-negara di dunia kafir membangun perdamaian, mau > >>>> dagang aja, nggak mau main bunuh-bunuhan lagi... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sementara itu orang Islam main teror dan saling berbunuhan > >>>> di Siria, Iraq, Yemen dll. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dan mereka jadikan Indoneisa sebagai sarang teroris. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang adalah malapetaka > >>>> untuk ummat manusia, artinya juga malapetakan untuk orang > >>>> Islam sendiri. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>  > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>  > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>  > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Obama calls for 'new model' at China summit > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> US president and Chinese President Xi Jinping pledge to look > >>>> for a new way of co-operation on a slew of disputes. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Last Modified: 08 Jun 2013 06:38 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Al Jazeera's Rob Reynolds reports from Los Angeles on > >>>> the informal talks being hailed as 'historic' for > >>>> both countries > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The US president has said he welcomes the "peaceful > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> rise" of China and that, despite inevitable areas of > >>>> tension, both > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> countries want a co-operative relationship, as he and > >>>> Chinese President > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Xi Jinping began two days of meetings. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hosting Xi at a luxurious > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> desert estate in southern California on Friday, Barack Obama > >>>> said he > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> hoped to work together with China on cybersecurity, an issue > >>>> that has > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> created friction between the two countries. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Xi expressed the hope for deeper co-operation, saying China > >>>> and the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> United States could build a new model of "big > >>>> country" relations. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Speaking > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> to reporters at the start of Friday's talks, Obama said > >>>> he wanted > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> to achieve a "new model of co-operation" with > >>>> China - a goal many feel > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> eluded him in his first term when dealing with former > >>>> Chinese president > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hu Jintao. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Our decision to meet so early, I think, signifies the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> importance of the U.S.-China relationship. Itâs important > >>>> not only for > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> the prosperity of our two countries and the security of our > >>>> two > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> countries, but itâs also important for the Asia Pacific > >>>> region and > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> important for the world," Obama said. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Obama said it was in the interest of the US that China > >>>> continued on > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> the path of success "because we believe that a peaceful > >>>> and stable and > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> prosperous China is not only good for Chinese but also good > >>>> for the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> world and for the United States". > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Obama said as two of the world's largest economies, the > >>>> US and China were aiming to have a healthy economic > >>>> competition. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> But he added that the two nations had a "whole range of > >>>> challenges on which we have to cooperate". These, Obama > >>>> said, include North Korea and its nuclear and missile > >>>> programmes, nuclear proliferation and climate > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> change. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Obama urged Xi to stop reported Chinese hacking against > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> the US, but his call could be overshadowed by new > >>>> revelations that > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Obama's own administration has been secretly collecting > >>>> information > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> about phone and internet use. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The actions of both China and the US underscore the vast > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> technological powers that governments can tap to gather > >>>> information > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> covertly from individuals, companies and other governments. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Obama, seeking to keep the matter from trailing him through > >>>> two days > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> of China meetings, addressed the surveillance programmes for > >>>> the first > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> time on Friday morning. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> He said the efforts strike "the right balance" > >>>> between security and civil liberties as the US combats > >>>> terrorism. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "You can't have 100 percent security and then also > >>>> have 100 percent > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> privacy and zero inconvenience. We're going to have to > >>>> make some choices as a society," he said during a > >>>> health care event in Northern > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> California. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> For his part, Xi said the talks would help chart the future > >>>> of China-US relations and "draw a blueprint for this > >>>> relationship". > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> He said in more than 40 years the China-US relationship > >>>> "has gone through winds and rains and it made > >>>> historical progress". > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Obama, Xi and the future of US-China relations: An interview > >>>> with Professor David Zweig. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Our two peoples and the people elsewhere in the world > >>>> have reaped huge benefits from this," Xi said. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "And at present, the China-U.S. relationship has > >>>> reached a new > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> historical starting point. Our two countries have vast > >>>> convergence of > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> shared interests, from promoting our respective economic > >>>> growth at home > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> to ensuring the stability of the global economy." > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Xi said on all issues including dealing with international > >>>> and > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> regional hotspot and global challenges, the two countries > >>>> needed to > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> increase exchanges and cooperation. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "And under the new environment, we need to take a close > >>>> look at our > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> bilateral relationship: What kind of China-U.S. relationship > >>>> do we both > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> want?" Xi said. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "What kind of cooperation can our two nations carry out > >>>> for mutual > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> benefit? And how can our two nations join together to > >>>> promote peace and > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> development in the world? These are things that not just the > >>>> people in > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> our two countries are watching closely, but the whole world > >>>> is also > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> watching very closely." > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Xi said he looked forward to in-depth communication with > >>>> Obama, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> adding he was confident the meeting would "achieve > >>>> positive outcomes and inject fresh momentum into the > >>>> China-U.S. relationship". > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Source: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Al Jazeera and agencies > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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