Yang menjadi masaalah dengan Islam itu adalah ajarannya yang
absurd, buas, ganas, kejam, keji lagi biadab....
al-Mushaf itu, antara lain, menyuruh manusia berperang, artinya
saling berbunuhan...
al-Mushaf juga menyuruh memotong tangan pencuri..
al-Mushaf menyuruh suami menabok istri yang bandel...
Dan contoh lain masih banyak kok..
On 20 Jun 06, at 8:28, Battle Normandy wrote:
> ya didalam tiap agama, banyak kebaikannya...
> keburukannya muncul ketika si penganutnya melakukan hal2 yg
> tidak baik.
> misal:
> Amir adalah tukang copet.
> Amir beragama islam.
> orang Islam = tukang copet?
> ya engak donk...
>
> Bush adalah orang kristen.
> Bush adalah seorang teroris.
> semua orang kristen = teroris?
> ya belum tentu.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Kalau kelompok islam garis keras cukup mengatakan "Apa
> untungnya mengambil
> > perkataan kuffar ? kalau masih banyak kebaikan yang bisa
> didapat didalam
> > ISLAM ??"
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Battle Normandy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:36 PM
> > Subject: [islamkristen] Re: LIMA METODE MENGHADAPI
> MILITANSI GARIS KERAS
> >
> >
> > hhehehe...
> > gue mau nanggepin pernyataan om hidayat.
> > cara menghadapi misionaris ga tahu diri:
> > 1. bilang aja sibuk
> > 2. bilang kita gak butuh ajaran dia
> > 3. panggilin satpam/ hansip bilang dia mengganggu
> ketertiban
> > umum...
> > 4. cuekin....tinggal jalan.
> > 5. teriakin: 'copeeettt!!!'
> >
> > nah untuk militansi islam, tidak bisa disamaratakan bahwa
> > semua islam adalah militan, dan semua militan adalah islam.
> > itu namanya generalisasi emosional...
> > banyak kenyataan menunjukan islam adalah ajaran yg
> > rahmatan lil alamin.
> >
> > lihat jumlah militan2 di negara2 dunia, sebut saja Macan
> Tamil
> > (Hindu), Regime Pol Pot (Buddhist/sosialis), IRA(Protestan),
> > ETA Basque (animis dan kristen), Republika Serbska (kristen
> > orthodox), Kuklux Klan (kristen), Tupac Amaru(animis, katolik
> > sosialis), dan terakhir Al Qaeda(islam)...
> > dihitung banyakan yg mana...
> > berhubung media2 barat memang sedang gencar membuat
> > permusuhan dgn islam, kesannya seolah2 militan2 adalah
> > hanya islam...
> > sampai skrg, pemerintah Nepal masih saja berkutat dgn
> Maois
> > (sosialis hindu budha)...bukan islam kan?
> > hehehe...
> >
> > tapi untuk strategi militansi islam di indonesia ini yg sedang
> > marak2nya, saya setuju dgn gaya Harto dan Chirac...
> > tapi lebih dulu, orang2 yg masih miskin2 dan bodoh2 itu
> > ditingkatkan taraf hidupnya...dikasih kerjaan dll biar berguna
> utk
> > nusa dan bangsa...dan hentikan korupsi!
> >
> > just my 2 cents...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Nataatmaja, Hidayat"
> > <hnataatmaja@> wrote:
> > >
> > > pernah baca ttg cara menghadang missionaris dlm rangka
> > kristenisasi gak dun:-)....
> > >
> > > tau missionaries kan? yg suka nyerobot2 ke rumah orang
> > bawa indomie pake jilbab?
> > >
> > > caranya ada beberapa:
> > > - suruh mereka buka kitab kidung agung
> > > - suruh mereka pulang baik-baik
> > > - pasang larangan di depan rumah2 muslim dgn tulisan
> > "missionaries dilarang nyogok" atau...
> > > - langsung ditendang
> > >
> > > pilih mana...
> > >
> > > kalau mau melihat akibat suatu keadaan,cobalah lihat
> > penyebabnya lebih dulu...baru cuap2.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > pemerhatidunia
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:36 PM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: [islamkristen] LIMA METODE MENGHADAPI
> MILITANSI
> > ISLAM GARIS KERAS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Menghadapi militansi dan syariatisasi Islam di negara kita,
> > mungkin
> > > kita bisa belajar pada negara2 lain.
> > >
> > > Dimana-mana, Islam BERPELUANG menghasilkan
> militansi
> > dan
> > > pemberontakan bersenjata. Tidak salah bila orang Islam
> > berjihad
> > > mengikuti petunjuk Al-Qur'an dan hadis secara literal tanpa
> > dimaknai
> > > dengan baik. Bisa menguasai negara dan mengubah UUD
> > sampai ke semua
> > > UU yang ada,
> > >
> > > (lalu hasilnya makin terpuruk, sebab kata Syafii Maarif itu
> > adalah
> > > ijtihad abad pertengahan yg tentu saja tidak cocok untuk
> duinia
> > > modern !! ketiwasan sudah jatuh banyak korban :-G )
> > > Coba baca juga Media Indonesia hari ini, tulisan Luthfi
> > Assyaukanie
> > > ttg Islam Liberal untuk Demokrasi Liberal. (Demokrasi
> Liberal
> > ini
> > > adalah sistem yang sukses dipakai dalam dunia
> internasional
> > saat
> > > ini).
> > >
> > > Islam merupakan ideologi politik. Artinya gerakan militansi
> > Islam
> > > ini ancaman politik.
> > >
> > > MAKA ada lima strategi dasar yang dipakai2 negara2
> > non-muslim untuk
> > > menghadapi ancaman Islamisasi dan militansi Islam:
> > >
> > > 1. Rusia: menindas
> > > 2. China: menghapus dan menggantinya dengan kemajuan
> > dan budaya
> > > lain.
> > > 3. Chirac/Prancis : membiarkan saja
> > > 4. Sharon/Israel : memagari
> > > 5. Blair Inggris /Bush USA : me reform.
> > >
> > > pilih mana?? `
> > >
> > > http://www.scaruffi
> > <http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/world06.html#wor0206>
> > .com/politics/world06.html#wor0206
> > > (february 2006) Survival strategies for the non-Islamic world
> > and
> > > for the Islamic world. The world has roughly tried five
> strategies
> > > to deal with the Islamic world: bomb (Russia), erase (China),
> > ignore
> > > (Chirac), fence (Sharon) and reform (Blair/Bush).
> > >
> > > METODE 1 SOVIET/RUSSIA -- dihabisi, ditakuti dengan
> > kekerasan,
> > > dipaksa mengubah masjid menjadi tempat budaya, bukan
> > tempat ibadah.
> > >
> > > The Soviet Union and now Russia have resorted to massive
> > violence in
> > > order to restrain Islam and basically turn it into a secular
> > > movement. They taught the Muslims of Central Asia that
> > mosques and
> > > madrasas are cultural monuments, not religious sites. This
> > has
> > > largely worked: none of the former Soviet republics has a
> > majority
> > > of practicing Muslims.
> > >
> > > METODE 2 CHINA -- dihapus dengan segala kemajuan
> > ekonomi, disebar,
> > > diisi etnis non muslim yang lebih damai. Ini metode yang
> > sukses di
> > > Indonesia, ketika Pak Harto sukses membangun, tidak ada
> > ulama garis
> > > keras yang muncul, tetapi ketika krisis, maka Islam garis
> > keras
> > > berani muncul lagi. begitu kan??
> > >
> > > China first tried the Soviet method, but apparently it has been
> > more
> > > successful using the method first experimented by Hu
> Jingtao
> > in
> > > Tibet: erase the culture by improving the economic
> conditions,
> > by
> > > creating economic opportunities for the Muslims themselves
> > and, last
> > > but not least, by relocating masses of non-Muslims into
> > Islamic
> > > lands. Opposition to Chinese domination of Turkestan has
> > largely
> > > faded because everywhere in Turkestan the Muslim
> population
> > wants to
> > > live in the newly rebuilt Chinese areas (broad clean avenues,
> > > shopping malls, high-rise apartment buildings, modern
> > schools and
> > > hospitals) not in the old Muslim quarters (narrow dirty noisy
> > > streets and poor decaying infrastructure). And, in any case,
> > there
> > > will soon be more ethnic Chinese than ethnic Turks (more
> > non-Muslims
> > > than Muslims).
> > >
> > > METODE 3 SHARON/ISRAEL -- dipagari saja, sama spt
> > Prancis dan Eropa
> > > Timur yang membuat pagar untuk menghadang serbuan
> > pasukan Muslim.
> > > Jangan kontak dengan islam.
> > >
> > > Sharon's fence is a broader metaphor for a desperate view of
> > the
> > > relationships between the Islamic world and the non-Islamic
> > world.
> > > The fence symbolizes the desire to just stop every possible
> > contact
> > > with Muslims. Contrary to what your average Islamic
> > propagandist
> > > tells you, Israel is ideologically opposed to the indiscriminate
> > > killing of Muslim civilians. A democracy just cannot do that
> > without
> > > alienating the support of its own electoral base. Thus Israel
> > cannot
> > > use the Soviet system. It cannot use the Chinese system
> > either,
> > > because it does not have the huge Chinese population to
> > settle in
> > > Muslim areas. Therefore Israel had to come up with a
> different
> > > solution. Sharon's fence is the first rational solution that
> Israel
> > > came up with.
> > >
> > > METODE 4 CHIRAC -- to ignore the Islamic world, do
> business
> > with
> > > their dictators. Daripada susah diubahnya (Islam itu
> > peradaban
> > > zaman batu yang susah berubah, kata orang Eropa yg
> > berpengalaman
> > > menjajah kita ratusan tahun), susah ngurusin manusia
> zaman
> > batu
> > > kepala batu, jadi mendingan kerjasama dengan diktator2
> > Islam,
> > > lupakan saja itu massa Islam, biarkan mereka ditindas
> > diperas oleh
> > > diktator2 Islam itu sendiri.
> > >
> > > Chirac's model is the good old European model: live and let
> > live.
> > > Chirac wants the west to ignore the Islamic world, do
> business
> > with
> > > their dictators (which really means "import oil" because the
> > Islamic
> > > world buys or sells very little else) and let their dictators and
> > > clerics do what they will. This view was very popular with
> > Europeans
> > > because Europeans thought it was not worth "saving" the
> > Islamic
> > > world. Many Europeans view the Islamic world as a
> stone-age
> > world
> > > that cannot be easily reformed, and in any case should not
> be
> > > reformed by outsiders. Having had centuries of experience
> > when
> > > European countries colonized the world, Europeans talk
> > because of
> > > more or less direct experience.
> > >
> > > METODE 5 : BUSH - reform the Islamic world according to
> the
> > > democratic values of the Christian world -- perang ideologi
> dan
> > > proyek misi "pemurtadan" .
> > >
> > > The Blair/Bush model is the opposite model. They also want
> to
> > do
> > > business with the Islamic world, but they also want to reform
> > the
> > > Islamic societies so that the relationships become more
> > rational and
> > > civilized. They oppose the idea of a fence (because either
> > > impractical or unfair or unnecessary). They oppose the idea
> of
> > > tolerating the various dictators of the Islamic world. Like
> Israel,
> > > they cannot use the Soviet or Chinese methods. Therefore
> they
> > came
> > > up with the ultimate missionary project: reform the Islamic
> > world
> > > according to the democratic values of the Christian world (a
> > > contradiction that is very clear to Osama and Zarqawi but still
> > > eludes Bush, Blair and all the "moderate" Muslims of the
> > world).
> > > Some would want to add the Indian model to the picture. After
> > all,
> > > India has more Muslims than any other country in the world
> > (Islamic
> > > or not). But India also has the highest number of victims to
> > > religious/ethnic clashes. So it is more an anarchic model
> > (where the
> > > government lets mobs fight each other) than a centralized
> > model.
> > > After the publication of cartoons that made fun of Mohammed
> > (the man
> > > whom Muslims consider a holy prophet and whose depiction
> > is, they
> > > think, forbidden), and the subsequent violent protests in
> many
> > parts
> > > of the Islamic world, there has been a huge backlash against
> > Islam
> > > in Europe. This was the proverbial last straw. Europeans had
> > already
> > > exhausted their patience with the endless list of Muslim
> > grievances.
> > > A Dutch filmmaker was killed for insulting Islam, and few
> > Muslims
> > > objected to that killing. Muslims blew up the Madrid station.
> > > Muslims sent death threats to anyone daring to speak
> against
> > Islam.
> > > Muslims rioted in the streets of French cities. Basically, every
> > > month some Muslims make the headlines in Europe for
> trying
> > to impose
> > > their will over the entire continent. The perception by many in
> > > Europe is that Europe is slowly becoming an Islamic
> > dictatorship, in
> > > which the will of a few local Muslims and, more importantly,
> the
> > > will of millions of Muslims who live outside Europe, decides
> > what
> > > Europeans can do, write and think.
> > >
> > > For millions of Europeans this is a paradox. It took centuries
> > for
> > > Europeans to get rid of the dictatorship of their own religion
> > > (Christianity, mainly represented by the Roman Church).
> Now
> > not only
> > > there is fear of a new religious dictatorship, but it is not even
> a
> > > European religion that tells Europeans to obey the Roman
> > dogma, it
> > > is someone else's religion that comes to Europe and tells
> > Europeans
> > > to obey the Meccan dogma.
> > >
> > > An undesired consequence of the cartoons riots is the
> sudden
> > > popularity of right-wing politicians. An Italian minister, who is
> a
> > > member of a right-wing party, proudly displayed on national
> > > television a shirt deemed offensive by Muslims. The Italian
> > prime
> > > minister Silvio Berlusconi asked the minister to resign. The
> > > minister resigned. (Incidentally, Libya later suspended the
> > interior
> > > minister who ordered the police to fire at the demonstrators
> > that
> > > were attacking the Italian consulate, in other words
> punishing
> > the
> > > minister who tried to stop the mob). The resignation of the
> > Italian
> > > minister is another gift to the right-wing parties of Europe: a
> > > minister was forced to resign because Muslims rioted
> against
> > a
> > > European country. Does that mean that, from now on,
> > European
> > > ministers will have to resign every time a Muslim mob,
> > somewhere in
> > > the world, riots against some European countries?
> > > (Not long ago, a Spanish prime minister lost an election
> > because
> > > Muslims blew up the Madrid rail station).
> > >
> > > European right-wing parties, from Holland to Denmark to
> > France to
> > > Italy, sense a historical opportunity. For decades they have
> > been
> > > viewed as nostalgic and senile people who long for the
> > grotesque
> > > parades of Mussolini and Petain. Suddenly, they can present
> > > themselves as the real defenders of European freedom and
> > (gasp)
> > > democracy. They are the only ones who stand up against the
> > Islamic
> > > dictatorship. Thus the continuining provocations by the
> > right-wing
> > > politicians. It is the old Sharon strategy: Sharon provoked the
> > > Palestinians into starting the intifada, so that the Israeli
> people
> > > would vote for the right-wing party and elect him, Sharon,
> prime
> > > minister. It worked in Israel. It may work in Europe too. More
> > and
> > > more European right-wing politicians are publicly offending
> > Islam in
> > > the attempt to obtain the trust of millions of European voters
> > who
> > > are getting more and more concerned about the growing
> > influence of
> > > Islam on their countries.
> > >
> > > Sharon and Bush are becoming ever more popular in
> Europe.
> > There are
> > > now millions of Europeans asking for the expulsion of
> Muslims
> > from
> > > Europe and for the creation of some sort of "fence" (not
> literally,
> > > of course) along the Mediterranean that would stop Muslim
> > > immigration to Italy. As an Italian viewer said on television, "If
> > > you like the Quran better than democracy, why don't you move
> > to
> > > Saudi Arabia instead of western Europe?"
> > > Europeans do not see Bush as a friend of the Muslims
> (which
> > he
> > > actually is). They see him as the Western leader who has
> > invaded two
> > > Islamic countries (Afghanistan and Iraq). And they see him
> as
> > a
> > > strong defender of western values, compared to the pathetic
> > wimps
> > > who rule France and Spain.
> > > (Ironically, most Muslims make the same mistake: they view
> > Chirac as
> > > a friend, and Bush as an enemy, when in fact it is Bush who
> > believes
> > > in the feasibility of reforms in the Islamic world, and Chirac is
> > > the one who believes it is pointless to try). At the same time the
> > > Anglosaxon citizens (USA, Britain,
> > Australia)
> > > have been moving closer to the original French view. The
> > public
> > > opinions of the USA, Britain and Australia are growing more
> > > disillusioned with the Islamic world. It seems like a lost
> cause:
> > > the Islamic world does not seem to be interested in cultural
> > > progress, democratic reforms, equality for women and so
> forth:
> > it
> > > seems to be interested only in the Quran. Why waste
> energies,
> > time,
> > > money and lives to export the western model of progress and
> > > democracy to one billion people who just do not care for it?
> > Bush de
> > > facto joined Chirac's "ignore" party when he (at last) called for
> > an
> > > end to the USA's addiction to oil.
> > > What is missing from this picture is the Islamic view of
> > coexistince
> > > with the rest of the world. It is difficult to tell what the
> > > majority (not the minority) of Muslims want. There are
> > indications
> > > that they are even more confused and afraid than Europeans.
> > Many
> > > Muslims in Europe know that they are being treated
> humanely
> > by a
> > > social system that is unparalleled in the rest of the world,
> and
> > > they don't want to lose what they have. Few Muslims of
> Europe
> > want
> > > to go back to their countries. But all of them feel that, for one
> > > reason or another, they are being increasingly discriminated,
> > > humiliated and abused. In a sense, they feel what the Jews
> felt
> > in
> > > the 1930s. And the anti-Islamic talk of the right-wing parties
> is
> > > not very different from the anti-Jewish talk of Adolf Hitler. It
> > > is also difficult to counter the anti-western propaganda of Al
> > > Jazeera, that does everything it can to inflame Muslims
> > worldwide.
> > > Al Jazeera is a factor that western countries keep
> > underestimating.
> > > It is responsible for much of the anti-western feeling in the
> > > Islamic world. It routinely emphasizes and blows out of
> > proportion
> > > anything that happens in the world that can be possibly
> > conceived as
> > > an attack against Islam. It rarely criticizes the tyrants of the
> > > Islamic world (and only on very minor issues) but it
> constantly
> > > criticizes everything that the USA, Europe, Russia, China and
> > India
> > > do. The Al Jazeera viewers see a world that "is" a conflict
> > between
> > > the rest of the world (aggressor) and Islam (victim), and react
> > by
> > > enacting that very conflict between Islam (aggressor) and the
> > rest
> > > of the world (victim). It is Al Jazeera that instills in the minds
> > > of millions of Muslims the idea that the whole Danish country
> > and
> > > actually the whole European population and actually the
> whole
> > > Christian world (not just one small newspaper) is guilty of
> > > offending Islam (not just of doing to Mohammed what has
> > been done
> > > for years to Jesus, Buddha and any other religious figure). It
> is
> > Al
> > > Jazeera that scientifically turns peaceful ordinary people into
> > > beings full of rage (and, statistically, some of them into
> suicide
> > > bombers).
> > > It is always surprising how hostile the emotion of an Al
> Jazeera
> > > viewer are at the beginning of a conversation, and how
> friendly
> > they
> > > become by the end of the conversation: Al Jazeera viewers
> > never hear
> > > the "other" version of the story.
> > > Muslims do not fully realize how dangerous this collision
> drive
> > is.
> > > When the entire non-Islamic world allied to fight the Taliban
> in
> > > Afghanistan, they basically rehearsed a scenario that had
> > never
> > > happened before: the USA, Europe, Russia, China and India
> > united in
> > > a war against a common enemy. Who was the common
> > enemy that managed
> > > to unite such antagonizing powers? Ultimately, it was Islam.
> > The
> > > Islamic world, brainwashed by Al Jazeera's hysterical
> > propaganda and
> > > by the chronic stupidity of the Arab leaders, does not realize
> > that
> > > something similar could happen on a larger scale. Trouble
> > from the
> > > Philippines to Bali to Thailand to western China, to
> > northwestern
> > > India to southern Russia to the cities of Paris could manage
> to
> > > unite the world powers against the Islamic world.
> > > Put it this way. Every time there is a lull in Islamic turbulence,
> > > the news shifts towards some disagreement between the
> USA
> > and China,
> > > the USA and Russia, the USA and Latin America, and even
> the
> > USA and
> > > Europe. Thus this is still a rather divided world, with several
> > > powers vying for regional and global power. Whenever
> > Muslims riot in
> > > some part of the world or carry out a terrorist attack, the news
> > > shifts dramatically: gone are the tensions between the
> world's
> > > superpower, and one ghost rises above all the others, the
> > ghost of
> > > Islam.
> > > The Islamic countries are not fully realizing how close they
> are
> > to
> > > the abyss.
> > > TM, ®, Copyright © 2005 Piero Scaruffi All rights reserved.
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