Sudah tahunan orang Nasrani menjelaskan masaalah kelakuan Luth dll. itu tapi orang Islam yang dungu-dungu kayak keledai tetap aja memakai Luth dll. itu sebagai argumen untuk menujukkan kebejatan ajaran Nasrani..
--- In [email protected], "Wong" <wong_gendeng05@...> wrote: > > Ada perbedaan yang mendasar antara Islam dan Kristen baik dalam istilah > maupun pengertian > > Adam dalm Islam dianggap nabi, tapi dalam Kristen bukan nabi > Lut dalam Islam nabi, dalam Kristen bukan > Daud dalam Islam nabi dalam kristen bukan > > dalam Islam ada pengertian bahwa seorang nabi itu maksum, tidak mungkin > berbuat salah baik secara hukum maupun moral. maka jika ada seorang nabi atau > dianggap nabi berbuat mesum, misalnya ngentot anak kecil, ngewe anaknya > sendiri, atao niduri istri tetangga, orang orang Islam pasti menolak dan > menganggap itu fitnah dan informasi palsu. Dengan berbagai macam cara akan > berusaha untuk mempertahankan pendapatnya bahwa informasi seperti itu pasti > salah. atau kalo informasinya memang benar, karena didudkung oleh sumber yang > valid, yang dilakukan adalah membuat justifikasi mengapa perbuatan seperti > itu dilakukan, misalnya kasus nabi Muhammad yang mengawini Aisya yang masih > ingusan. > > Sementara di kristen ada pengertian semua orang bisa saja berbuat salah, > meskipun dia orang yang saleh sekalipun bisa saja khilaf tergelincir untuk > berbuat dosa. Sehingga jika Daud, Luth dll ternyata berbuat tidak senonok, > malah mencari nonok anak sendiri atao bini tetangga itu tidak masalah.tentu > perbuatan ngewe bini tetangga bukan harus di tiru, tetapi pesan moral yang > akan di ambil sebagai pelajaran. Meskipun seorang saleh sekalipun kalo berani > melawan perintgah tuhan yang berbunyi jangan ngewe bini tetangga, maka diapun > harus menanggung akibatnya. apa akibatnya, baca kisah Daud. > > Kelihatanya di benak orang Kristen, yang tidak pernah berbuat salah hanya > Yesus, tapi nurut saya bisa saja Yesus pernah ngewe sama Magdalena, tapi > tentu oleh para penginjil tidak ditulis. Lah apa seumur hidup Yesus tidak > pernah ngaceng?. kalo ngaceng apa yang dia lakukan? apa cukup masturbasi? > embuhlah > > > Rahayu > > > --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" <rezameutia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > Si Lot itu emang bajingan koq krn dia nawarin anaknya. Dia bukan nabi > > > sama > > > sekali. Tp di Islam dia dijadikan nabi, apa krn dia nawarin anak2nya buat > > > digangrape? > > > > > > > > > jadi apaan dong statusnya si lot di aklitab? > > > > orang kristen kalo udah disebutin tentang kesesatan alkitab, langsung > > kebingungan dan mengambil jurus asal menolak dan asal mangap tanpa berpikir > > lagi. persis seperti bencong taman lawang yang asal mangap ngeliat kontol > > item. > > > > anyway, memang alkitab itu cuman mengajarkan ajaran sesat. gw nggak penah > > denger tuh ada kitab suci (islam, buddha, hindu) yang isinya disebutin ada > > nama cabo (maria magdalena) seperti di alkitab. > > > > kenapa sih nama ibunya tuhan jesus disamakan dengan namanya cabo? > > was it just coincidence or in purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe... jadi lu bilang krn si Lut terdesak, maka dia nawarin anak2nya > > > buat > > > dizinahi krn ga pake upacara nikah. Tetap aja dia itu bajingan, krn dia > > > ngorbanin anak2nya. Dan kalo anak2nya ogah, berarti anak2nya akan > > > diperkosa. > > > Ujung2nya, si Lut itu nawarin anak2nya unt diperkosa. > > > > > > Kalo si Lut itu emang sok pahlawan, hrsnya dia itu yg nungging nyediain > > > lobang > > > pantatnya buat disodomi ngegantiin tamunya. Tp emang di Islam itu ga ada > > > istilah > > > ngorbanin diri buat nolong orang, yg ada adalah ngorbanin orang lain dan > > > ngaku2 > > > diri sendiri sbg pahlawan. > > > > > > Lu liat aja tuh praktek orang Islam kayak mertuanya si Syekh Pujie, dia > > > nawarin > > > anaknya yg masih ingusan buat diembat oleh si Pujie. Dia dpt duit mahar > > > dr si > > > Pujie, lalu kalo duit maharnya dia sumbangin ke mesjid misalnya, maka dia > > > akan > > > jadi pahlawan dgn ngorbanin anak ingusannya. > > > > > > Ada berapa orang Islam yg suka ngorbanin anak ingusannya buat diembat > > > bandot > > > tua? Bejibun tuh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: ndeboost <rambitesemak@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 6:31:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: Bls: [proletar] Nabi gila dan film porno > > > > > > > > > > > > @abu_dapurmu semakin hitam. Yang kamu letakkan dan perbincangkan salah > > > kitab. Perhatikan Bibel Kej 19:8 vs Al Qur'an Hud (11):78 > > > > > > Di dalah Hud (11):78, Nabi Lut a.s menawarkan puterinya yang suci kepada > > > kaumnya dan mengajak kaumnya bertakwa kepada Allah swt. Bagi Lut a.s, > > > melindungi tamu termasuk keutamaan tanpa harus meninggalkan takwanya > > > kepada Allah swt. Dalam keadaan tidak terdesak, maka norma-norma standar > > > tatacara utk pernikahan mestinya yang diterapkan. Namun dalam keadaan > > > yang demikian, Luth a.s menawarkan (utk menikahi) puteri-puterinya > > > (tanpa proses peminangan dst). Adalah mencampur adukkan yg hak dan yg > > > bathil apabila Luth a.s menawarkan anaknya utk diperlakukan semena-mena > > > sedangkan disaat yg sama mengajak yang memperlakukan bertakwa kepada > > > Allah swt. Ngawur kamu. > > > > > > Dan kamu mesti mengira yang "puteri-puteri" diayat ini adalah anak > > > kandung Luth a.s. Kaum (pengikut) Luth a.s, entah bagaimana, sepertinya > > > sudah ada di kediaman Luth untuk tinggal pergi sebelum subuh seperti > > > berita dari malaikat. (Hud (11):81) ....... "bukankah subuh itu sudah > > > dekat?" > > > > > > Lalu perhatikan Bibel Kej 19:8. nDeboost ga komen namun silahkan kamu > > > judge sendiri. > > > > > > Hud (11):78 > > > Dan datanglah kepadanya kaumnya dengan bergegas-gegas. Dan sejak dahulu > > > mereka selalu melakukan perbuatan-perbuatan yang keji. Luth berkata: > > > "Wahai kaumku, inilah puteri-puteriku, mereka lebih suci bagimu, maka > > > bertakwalah kepada Allah dan janganlah kamu mencemarkan (nama) ku > > > terhadap tamuku ini. Tidak adakah di antaramu seorang yang berakal?" > > > > > > Kej 19:8 > > > LAI06 > > > Kamu tahu, aku mempunyai dua orang anak perempuan yang belum pernah > > > dijamah laki-laki, baiklah mereka kubawa ke luar kepadamu; perbuatlah > > > kepada mereka seperti yang kamu pandang baik; hanya jangan kamu > > > apa-apakan orang-orang ini, sebab mereka memang datang untuk berlindung > > > di dalam rumahku." > > > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hehehe.... coba gua kasih ayat germo di Quran, lu percaya apa kagak. > > > > > > > > Si Lut ini mau jadi germo gratis dg nawarin anak2nya unt digarap rame2 > > > ketimbang > > > > namanya tercemar. > > > > > > > > 78. Dan datanglah kepadanya kaumnya dengan bergegas-gegas. Dan sejak > > > dahulu > > > > mereka selalu melakukan perbuatan-perbuatan yang keji [730]. Luth > > > berkata: "Hai > > > > kaumku, inilah puteri-puteriku, mereka lebih suci bagimu, maka > > > bertakwalah > > > > kepada Allah dan janganlah kamu mencemarkan (nama)ku terhadap tamuku > > > ini. Tidak > > > > adakah di antaramu seorang yang berakal ?" > > > > > > > > [730] Maksudnya perbuatan keji di sini ialah: mengerjakan liwath > > > (homosexuil). > > > > > > > > Dari perkataan si Lut yg dianggap nabi oleh tawangalun ini, tentunya > > > orang > > > > berakal akan merkosa anak2 si Lut rame2. Makanya ga heran tuh si > > > tawangalun jg > > > > nganjurin spy merkosa Cino2 spt kejadian thn 1998, merkosa rame2 > > > tentunya. > > > > > > > > Hehehe... ternyata kayak gitu definisi orang berakal di Islam, yaitu > > > milih > > > > merkosa cewek begitu ada kesempatan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Tawangalun tawangalun@ > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 4:19:08 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Bls: [proletar] Nabi gila dan film porno > > > > > > > > > > > > Memang beda si Iten dengan saya.Saya kalau ada ayat selangkangan di > > > Alkitab saya > > > > langsung gak percoyo gak mungkin Nabi2 kok diberitakan minir,nek Abu > > > justru > > > > kalau ada ayat selangkangan malah percoyo.Tapi begitu saya sodori ayat > > > mukjizat > > > > gak percoyo.La saya kalau ada ayat mukjizat Yesus kok malah percoyo. > > > > Soale si Item itu maunya hanya ayat yg selangkangan. > > > > > > > > Tawangalun. > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu itemabu@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Orang Islam itu emang gobloknya minta ampun. > > > > > > > > > > Markus 3:21 itu bilang orang lain mikir Yesus ga waras, jadi cuma > > > pendapat > > > > >orang > > > > > > > > > > lain doang. Dan pendapat orang itu bisa salah. > > > > > > > > > > Sebaliknya hadis sahih Bukhari bilang nabi itu halusinasi parah, ini > > > adalah > > > > > faktanya nurut hadis. Orang boleh aja bilang nabi ga gila, faktanya > > > adalah nabi > > > > > > > > > > itu halusinasi parah selama 2 thn. Tinggal make otak aja buat > > > ngambil > > > > > kesimpulan, apa nabi islam itu gila apa kagak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apa orang yg berhalusinasi parah mikir ngentotin bininya padahal > > > kagak itu ga > > > > > gila? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: PAREWA parewa70@ > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 5:12:02 PM > > > > > Subject: Bls: [proletar] Nabi gila dan film porno > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ini maksudnya? > > > > > > > > > > "Waktu > > > > > kaum keluarga-Nya mendengar hal itu, mereka datang hendak mengambil > > > > > Dia, sebab kata mereka Ia tidak waras lagi. " (markus 3:21) > > > > > > > > > > --- Pada Ming, 27/3/11, item abu itemabu@ menulis: > > > > > > > > > > Dari: item abu itemabu@ > > > > > Judul: [proletar] Nabi gila dan film porno > > > > > Kepada: [email protected] > > > > > Tanggal: Minggu, 27 Maret, 2011, 4:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... he began to fancy that he was doing a thing which he was not > > > actually > > > > >doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while > > > he actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had not > > > > > > > > > > The Prophet continued for such-and-such period imagining that he has > > > slept (had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sexual relations) with his wives, and in fact he did not > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe.... hadis nunjukin bhw nabi Islam itu berhalusinasi ngentotin > > > bininya, > > > > > > > > > > padahal kagak sama sekali. Berarti nabi Islam itu gila parah, > > > ditambah dgn > > > > >fakta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dia ngaku suka didatangi Jibril di depan orang lain, maka si nabi > > > ini udah > > > > >sampe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ke tahap gila parah alias schizzophrenia. > > > > > > > > > > Bayangin aja kalo si nabi lagi kumat di depan orang banyak, tiba2 si > > > nabi buka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pakean lalu ngecret ke mana2 krn mikir lagi ngentotin bininya. > > > > > > > > > > Ga heran kalo si Aisha selalu sibuk ngebersihin hasil ngecret nabi > > > ini. > > > > > > > > > > I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I > > > used to > > > > >wash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle > > > > > > > > > > Hihihi... kayak di film porno aja nih cerita nabi yg ngecret ke > > > mana2. Tp, mana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ada produser film porno yg make aktor yg gila? > > > > > > > > > > Semua hadis sohih Bukhori > > > > > > > > > > Volume 4, Book 54, Number 490: > > > > > > > > > > Narrated 'Aisha: > > > > > > > > > > Magic was worked on the Prophet so that he began to fancy that he > > > was doing a > > > > > > > > > > thing which he was not actually doing. One day he invoked (Allah) > > > for a long > > > > > > > > > > period and then said, "I feel that Allah has inspired me as how to > > > cure myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two persons came to me (in my dream) and sat, one by my head and the > > > other by > > > > >my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feet. One of them asked the other, "What is the ailment of this > > > man?" The other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replied, 'He has been bewitched" The first asked, 'Who has bewitched > > > him?' The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other replied, 'Lubaid bin Al-A'sam.' The first one asked, 'What > > > material has > > > > >he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used?' The other replied, 'A comb, the hair gathered on it, and the > > > outer skin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the pollen of the male date-palm.' The first asked, 'Where is > > > that?' The > > > > > > > > > > other replied, 'It is in the well of Dharwan.' " So, the Prophet > > > went out > > > > > > > > > > towards the well and then returned and said to me on his return, > > > "Its > > > > >date-palms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (the date-palms near the well) are like the heads of the devils." I > > > asked, "Did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you take out those things with which the magic was worked?" He said, > > > "No, for I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been cured by Allah and I am afraid that this action may spread > > > evil > > > > > > > > > > amongst the people." Later on the well was filled up with earth. > > > > > > > > > > Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660: > > > > > > > > > > Narrated Aisha: > > > > > > > > > > Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he > > > had sexual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relations with his wives while he actually had not (Sufyan said: > > > That is the > > > > > > > > > > hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect). Then one day he > > > said, "O > > > > >'Aisha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I > > > asked Him > > > > > > > > > > about? Two men came to me and one of them sat near my head and the > > > other sat > > > > > > > > > > near my feet. The one near my head asked the other. What is wrong > > > with this > > > > > > > > > > man?' The latter replied the is under the effect of magic The first > > > one asked, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who has worked magic on him?' The other replied Labid bin Al-A'sam, > > > a man from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bani Zuraiq who was an ally of the Jews and was a hypocrite.' The > > > first one > > > > > > > > > > asked, What material did he use)?' The other replied, 'A comb and > > > the hair > > > > >stuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to it.' The first one asked, 'Where (is that)?' The other replied. > > > 'In a skin > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pollen of a male date palm tree kept under a stone in the well of > > > Dharwan' '' > > > > >So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Prophet went to that well and took out those things and said > > > "That was the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well which was shown to me (in a dream) Its water looked like the > > > infusion of > > > > > > > > > > Henna leaves and its date-palm trees looked like the heads of > > > devils." The > > > > > > > > > > Prophet added, "Then that thing was taken out' I said (to the > > > Prophet ) "Why do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you not treat yourself with Nashra?" He said, "Allah has cured me; I > > > dislike to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let evil spread among my people." > > > > > > > > > > Volume 8, Book 73, Number 89: > > > > > > > > > > Narrated 'Aisha: > > > > > > > > > > The Prophet continued for such-and-such period imagining that he has > > > slept (had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sexual relations) with his wives, and in fact he did not. One day he > > > said, to > > > > > > > > > > me, "O 'Aisha! Allah has instructed me regarding a matter about > > > which I had > > > > > > > > > > asked Him. There came to me two men, one of them sat near my feet > > > and the other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > near my head. The one near my feet, asked the one near my head > > > (pointing at > > > > >me), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'What is wrong with this man? The latter replied, 'He is under the > > > effect of > > > > > > > > > > magic.' The first one asked, 'Who had worked magic on him?' The > > > other replied, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Lubaid bin Asam.' The first one asked, 'What material (did he > > > use)?' The other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replied, 'The skin of the pollen of a male date tree with a comb and > > > the hair > > > > > > > > > > stuck to it, kept under a stone in the well of Dharwan."' Then the > > > Prophet went > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to that well and said, "This is the same well which was shown to me > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > dream. The tops of its date-palm trees look like the heads of the > > > devils, and > > > > > > > > > > its water looks like the Henna infusion." Then the Prophet ordered > > > that those > > > > > > > > > > things be taken out. I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Won't you disclose > > > (the magic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > object)?" The Prophet said, "Allah has cured me and I hate to > > > circulate the > > > > >evil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > among the people." 'Aisha added, "(The magician) Lubaid bin Asam was > > > a man from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bani Zuraiq, an ally of the Jews." > > > > > > > > > > Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231: > > > > > > > > > > Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar: > > > > > > > > > > I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I > > > used to > > > > >wash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it off the clothes of Allah's Apostleand he would go for the prayer > > > while water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spots were still visible. 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