rezameutia yang otaknya sudah rusak dan mikir juga cuma pake kontolnya yang menderita premature ejaculation dan hingga jadi psikopat serta korban kibulan orang Arab primitif, tentu saja nggak bisa membantah omongan item abu tentang agama Islam...
Lalu dia fitnah "item abu" yang menurut dia sekedar joke.. --- In [email protected], "rezameutia" <rezameutia@...> wrote: > > tem, siapa yang punya pikiran akan ngejatohin elu? > > elu tuh cuman sekedar bahan tertawaan di milis ini, elu tuh cuman di jadiin > bahan joke disini. coba dong mikir dikit pake otak elu, elu tuh gobloknya > kelewatan makanya cuman jadi bahan tertawaan di milis ini. > > kesian... > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > Hehehe.... orang Islam itu bisa tinggal bilang aja apa isi tafsir itu kalo > > emang ga sesuai dgn apa yg gua bilang. Dgn begitu, orang Islam akan bisa > > ngejatohin gua. > > > > > > Tp ternyata orang Islam cuma kaing2 soal kemampuan bhs Inggris gua, ga > > berani ngomong apa isi tafsir tsb. Ga ada seekor jg yg ngebahas tafsir tsb > > unt ngelawan apa yg gua bilang. > > > > > > Artinya, yg gua bilang itu emang ga salah dan sesuai dgn tafsir. > > > > Penjelasan gua ini khusus unt orang2 yg ga ngerti bhw Inggris, tp bisa > > mikir. Cuma ini emang makhluk langka di antara orang Islam. > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > >From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> > > >To: [email protected] > > >Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:25 PM > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > > > > > > > > > > > >elu kan bego, tem. > > > > > >elu bahasa inggris aja kagak ngerti, tapi sok tafsir pake bahasa inggris. > > >mosok elu terjemahin 'air disedot ke hidung lalu ditiup?' ini kan udah > > >jelas elu bego dan pamer ketololan mulu. > > > > > >gw kalo ngomong ama orang idiot kayak elu, jusfiq, sama aja kayak ngomong > > >ama kacung. elu berdua level kecerdasannya sedikit dibawah kacung gw. > > >paling nggak kacung gw masih lebih cerdas diki karena masih bisa > > >dibilangin, nggak kayak elu berdua yang pala batu. > > > > > >abis, elu berdua homo sih. > > > > > >hehehe.... > > > > > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Betul ga yg gua bilang, orang Islam itu kalo bukannya kabur mencawat > > >> ekor ga berani ngejawab, ya cuma bisa kaing2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut > > >> begitu gua keluarin ayat/tafsir/hadis. > > >> > > >> Emang ga ada yg bisa ngelawan al ustadz, hehehe... > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >________________________________ > > >> >From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> > > >> >To: [email protected] > > >> >Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:55 PM > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >à> > >> >lagak lu sok copas dari bahasa inggris, padahal elu nggak ngerti bahasa > > >> >inggris. kalo diladenin ngomong lu bukannya mikir palingan kaing2 > > >> >teriak kayak homo sialan yang kontolnya kejepit pantatnya jusfiq. > > >> > > > >> >hehehe... > > >> > > > >> >--- In [email protected], "itemabu" <itemabu@> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> Hehehe.... asal gua ngeluarin ayat Quran dgn tafsir atau hadis > > >> >> pendukung, orang Islam semua akan ngacir terkencing2 ngecawat ekor, > > >> >> ga berani ngejawab, paling2 cuma kaing2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Gua kasih 4 buah tafsir ayat > > >> >> > 65:4 ditambah keterangan Maududi yg bilang terang2an bhw anak > > >> >> > ingusan yg blm > > >> >> > mens itu halal diembat oleh orang soleh dan bertaqwa, hehehe... > > >> >> > Yg jadi masalah itu kan adalah > > >> >> > ketololan orang2 Islam yg ga becus bhs Inggris dan jg mungkin ga > > >> >> > kenal siapa > > >> >> > itu Maududi misalnya. Orang2 Islam dungu ini mungkin kenalnya cuma > > >> >> > tukang tipu > > >> >> > kayak si Jeffry al Bukhori atau Abdullah Gymnastiar, atau bahkan > > >> >> > cuma tau Tukul > > >> >> > Arwana. > > >> >> > Ãâà> > >> >> > Tafsir Ibn Kathir > > >> >> > Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in > > >> >> > menopause. > > >> >> > And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older > > >> >> > age. Her > > >> >> > `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for > > >> >> > those who > > >> >> > menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. > > >> >> > ïôÿsee 2:228ïôþ THE SAME FOR THE YOUNG, WHO > > >> >> > HAVE NOT REACHED THE YEARS OF MENSTRUATION. Their `Iddah is three > > >> >> > months like those in > > >> >> > menopause. This is the meaning of His saying; > > >> >> > (and for those who have no courses...) as for His saying; > > >> >> > Ãâà(if you have doubt...) There are two > > >> >> > opinions: First, is the saying of a group of the Salaf, like > > >> >> > Mujahid, Az-Zuhri > > >> >> > and Ibn Zayd. That is, if they see blood and there is doubt if it > > >> >> > was menstrual > > >> >> > blood or not. The second, is that if you do not know the ruling in > > >> >> > this case, > > >> >> > then know that their `Iddah is three months. This has been reported > > >> >> > from Sa`id > > >> >> > bin Jubayr and it is the view preferred by Ibn Jarir. And this is > > >> >> > the more > > >> >> > obvious meaning. Supporting this view is what is reported from Ubay > > >> >> > bin Ka`b > > >> >> > that he said, "O Allah's Messenger! Some women were not mentioned > > >> >> > in the > > >> >> > Qur'an, the young, the old and the pregnant.'' Allah the Exalted > > >> >> > and Most > > >> >> > Honored sent down this Ayah, > > >> >> > Ãâà(Those in menopause among your women, > > >> >> > for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; and for > > >> >> > those who have > > >> >> > no courses. And for those who are pregnant, their `Iddah is until > > >> >> > they lay down > > >> >> > their burden.) Ibn Abi Hatim recorded a simpler narration than this > > >> >> > one from > > >> >> > Ubay bin Ka`b who said, "O Allah's Messenger! When the Ayah in > > >> >> > Surat Al-Baqarah > > >> >> > was revealed prescribing the `Iddah of divorce, some people in > > >> >> > Al-Madinah said, > > >> >> > `There are still some women whose `Iddah has not been mentioned in > > >> >> > the Qur'an. > > >> >> > There are THE YOUNG, the old whose menstruation is discontinued, > > >> >> > and the > > >> >> > pregnant.' Later on, this Ayah was revealed, > > >> >> > Ãâà(Those in menopause among your women, > > >> >> > for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; and for > > >> >> > those who have > > >> >> > no courses.)'' > > >> >> > Ãâà> > >> >> > Tafsir al-Jalalayn > > >> >> > And [as for] those of your women > > >> >> > who (read allÃâ�âââ‰â¢Ãâë or > > >> >> > allÃâ�âââ‰â¢i in both instances) no longer > > >> >> > expect to menstruate, > > >> >> > if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their > > >> >> > prescribed [waiting] > > >> >> > period shall be three months, and [also for] THOSE WHO HAVE > > >> >> > NOT YET MENSTRUATED, BECAUSE OF THEIR YOUNG AGE, > > >> >> > their period shall [also] be three months âââ¬" both cases > > >> >> > apply to other than > > >> >> > those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is > > >> >> > prescribed in > > >> >> > the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten > > >> >> > [days] [Q. > > >> >> > 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of > > >> >> > their > > >> >> > prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be > > >> >> > dead, shall be > > >> >> > when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease > > >> >> > for him, in > > >> >> > this world and in the Hereafter. > > >> >> > Ãâà> > >> >> > TanwÃÆ'îr al-MiqbÃÆ'âs min TafsÃÆ'îr Ibn > > >> >> > âââ¬ÃÅ"AbbÃÆ'âs > > >> >> > (And for such of your women as > > >> >> > despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about > > >> >> > their waiting > > >> >> > period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon > > >> >> > which another > > >> >> > man asked: ââ∠"O Messenger of Allah! What about the > > >> >> > waiting period OF THOSE WHO DO > > >> >> > NOT HAVE MENSTRUATION BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO YOUNG?âââ¬ï¿½ > > >> >> > (ALONG WITH THOSE WHO HAVE > > >> >> > IT NOT) BECAUSE OF YOUNG AGE, their waiting period is three months. > > >> >> > Another man > > >> >> > asked: ââ∠"what is the waiting period for those women who > > >> >> > are pregnant?âââ¬ï¿½ (And for > > >> >> > those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their > > >> >> > waiting > > >> >> > period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. > > >> >> > (And > > >> >> > whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah > > >> >> > regarding what he > > >> >> > commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his > > >> >> > matter easy; and > > >> >> > it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well. > > >> >> > Ãâà> > >> >> > Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi > > >> >> > (And for such of your > > >> >> > women as despair of menstruationâââ¬Ã¦) [65:4]. Said > > >> >> > Muqatil: ââ∠"When the verse (Women > > >> >> > who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves > > >> >> > apartâââ¬Ã¦), Kallad ibn al-Nuâââ¬ÃÅ"man > > >> >> > ibn Qays al-Ansari said: âââ¬ÃÅ"O Messenger of Allah, what > > >> >> > is the waiting period of > > >> >> > the woman who does not menstruate and THE WOMAN WHO HAS NOT > > >> >> > MENSTRUATED YET? > > >> >> > And what is the waiting period of the pregnant > > >> >> > woman?âââ‰â¢ And so Allah, exalted is > > >> >> > He, revealed this verseâââ¬ï¿½. Abu Ishaq > > >> >> > al-Muqriâââ‰â¢ informed us> Muhammad ibn > > >> >> > âââ¬ÃÅ"Abd > > >> >> > Allah ibn Hamdun> Makki ibn âââ¬ÃÅ"Abdan> > > >> >> > Abuâââ‰â¢l-Azhar> Asbat ibn Muhammad> > > >> >> > Mutarrif> Abu âââ¬ÃÅ"Uthman âââ¬ÃÅ"Amr ibn Salim > > >> >> > who said: ââ∠"When the waiting period for > > >> >> > divorced and widowed women was mentioned in Surah al-Baqarah, Ubayy > > >> >> > ibn Kaâââ¬ÃÅ"b > > >> >> > said: âââ¬ÃÅ"O Messenger of Allah, some women of Medina are > > >> >> > saying: there are other > > >> >> > women who have not been mentioned!âââ‰â¢ He asked him: > > >> >> > âââ¬ÃÅ"And who are they?âââ‰â¢ He said: > > >> >> > âââ¬ÃÅ"THOSE WHO ARE TOO YOUNG [SUCH THAT THEY HAVE NOT > > >> >> > STARTED MENSTRUATING YET], those > > >> >> > who are too old [whose menstruation has stopped] and those who are > > >> >> > pregnantâââ‰â¢. > > >> >> > And so this verse (And for such of your women as despair of > > >> >> > menstruationâââ¬Ã¦) was > > >> >> > revealedâââ¬ï¿½. > > >> >> > Ãâà> > >> >> > Ãâà> > >> >> > Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an - The Meaning of the > > >> >> > Qur'an > > >> >> > 13They may not have menstruated as > > >> >> > yet either BECAUSE OF YOUNG AGE, or delayed menstrual discharge as > > >> >> > it happens > > >> >> > in the case of some women, or because of no discharge at all > > >> >> > throughout life > > >> >> > which, though rare, may also be the case. In any case, the > > >> >> > waiting-period of > > >> >> > such a woman is the same as of the woman, who has stopped > > >> >> > menstruation, that is > > >> >> > three months from the time divorce was pronounced. > > >> >> > Here, one should bear in > > >> >> > mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the > > >> >> > Qur'an the > > >> >> > question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with > > >> >> > whom > > >> >> > marriage may have been consummated, FOR THERE IS NO WAITING-PERIOD > > >> >> > IN CASE > > >> >> > DIVORCE IS PRONOUNCED BEFORE THE CONSUMMATION OF MARRIAGE. > > >> >> > (AL-AHZAB: 49). Therefore, > > >> >> > MAKING MENTION OF THE WAITING-PERIOD FOR THE GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT YET > > >> >> > MENSTRUATED, CLEARLY PROVES THAT IT IS NOT ONLY PERMISSIBLE TO GIVE > > >> >> > AWAY THE > > >> >> > GIRL IN MARRIAGE AT THIS AGE BUT IT IS ALSO PERMISSIBLE FOR THE > > >> >> > HUSBAND TO > > >> >> > CONSUMMATE MARRIAGE WITH HER. Now, obviously no Muslim has the > > >> >> > right to forbid > > >> >> > a thing which the Qur'an has held as permissible. > > >> >> > The girl who is divorced > > >> >> > in the state when she has not yet menstruated and then she starts > > >> >> > having the > > >> >> > menses during the waiting-period, will reckon her waiting-period > > >> >> > from the same > > >> >> > menstruation and her waiting-period will be reckoned just like the > > >> >> > woman who > > >> >> > menstruates regularly.Ãâà> > >> >> > Ãâà> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > >________________________________ > > >> >> > >From: item abu <itemabu@> > > >> >> > >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > >> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:14 PM > > >> >> > >Subject: [proletar] Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >Ãâà> > >> >> > >The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married > > >> >> > >âââ¬ÃÅ"Aaâââ‰â¢ishah (may Allah be pleased > > >> >> > >with her) when she was six years old and the marriage was > > >> >> > >consummated when she was nine years old. Narrated by al-Bukhaari > > >> >> > >(4840) and Muslim (1422). > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >Ulama Saudi ngaku bhw nabi keparatnya itu ngembat anak ingusan 9 > > >> >> > >thn, dan ga ada batasan umur unt ngembat anak ingusan, asal si > > >> >> > >anak itu udah bisa diembat, tentunya yg dimaksud adalah kontol > > >> >> > >orang Islam bisa masuk. Jadi nabi Islam itu kepaksa nunggu sampe > > >> >> > >Aisha 9 thn baru diembat, biarpun si Aisha udah jadi bininya di > > >> >> > >usia 6 thn. Tp si Aisha bisa jg koq dipake buat ngejepit kontol > > >> >> > >nabi sambil ngelus2 kontol nabi. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >Masalahnya, apa orang Islam bisa baca tulisan dlm bhs Inggris ini? > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/146882 > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > > >> >> > >146882 > > >> >> > >Fiqh of the family Ãâû Conditions of Marriage > > >> >> > >Fiqh of the family Ãâû Rulings on Marriage > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > > >> >> > >ar - en > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >Share | I would like to know whether there is a > > >> >> > >set age for marriage in Islam for men and women? I hope you can > > >> >> > >explain > > >> >> > >with reference to the Qurâââ‰â¢aan and saheeh hadeeths. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >Praise be to Allaah. > > >> >> > >Firstly:Ãâà> > >> >> > >Islam does not give a specific age for marriage, either for the > > >> >> > >husband or for the wife. Allah, may He be exalted, says > > >> >> > >(interpretation of the meaning): > > >> >> > >ââ∠"And for such of your women as despair of > > >> >> > >menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be > > >> >> > >three months, along with those who have it notâââ¬ï¿½ > > >> >> > >[al-Talaaq 65:4].Ãâà> > >> >> > >Al-Saâââ¬ÃÅ"di (may Allah have mercy on him) said: > > >> >> > >ââ∠"along with those who have it [menses] > > >> >> > >notâââ¬ï¿½ means minors, those who have not yet started > > >> >> > >to menstruate. Adult women who have never menstruated at all are > > >> >> > >like those who ââ∠"despair of > > >> >> > >menstruationâââ¬ï¿½ (i.e., have passed menopause); > > >> >> > >their âââ¬ÃÅ"iddah is three months. End quote.Ãâà> > >> >> > >Tafseer al-Saâââ¬ÃÅ"di, p. 870Ãâà> > >> >> > >The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married > > >> >> > >âââ¬ÃÅ"Aaâââ‰â¢ishah (may Allah be pleased > > >> >> > >with her) when she was six years old and the marriage was > > >> >> > >consummated when she was nine years old. Narrated by al-Bukhaari > > >> >> > >(4840) and Muslim (1422).Ãâà> > >> >> > >Ibn Qudaamah (may Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Sharh > > >> >> > >al-Kabeer, 7/386:Ãâà> > >> >> > >With regard to females, the father may give his minor, virgin > > >> >> > >daughter who has not yet reached the age of nine in marriage, and > > >> >> > >there is no difference of opinion concerning that, if he gives > > >> >> > >her in marriage to someone who is compatible. Ibn al-Mundhir > > >> >> > >said: All of those scholars from whom we acquired knowledge > > >> >> > >unanimously agreed that it is permissible for a father to give > > >> >> > >his minor daughter in marriage if he arranges her to someone who > > >> >> > >is compatible, and it is permissible for him to do that even if > > >> >> > >she is reluctant. End quote.Ãâà> > >> >> > >Secondly:Ãâà> > >> >> > >No one may give a minor daughter in marriage except her father > > >> >> > >according to the view of Maalik and Ahmad. This was also the view > > >> >> > >of al-Shaafaâââ¬ÃÅ"i, but he regarded the grandfather as > > >> >> > >being like the father in that regard. Abu Haneefah said > > >> >> > >âââ¬" and it was also narrated from Ahmad âââ¬" that > > >> >> > > it is permissible for a guardian other than the father to give > > >> >> > >(the minor girl) in marriage, but the more correct view is the > > >> >> > >former one. > > >> >> > >See: al-Mughni, 7/33Ãâà> > >> >> > >Thirdly:Ãâà> > >> >> > >The father should not give a minor daughter in marriage except in > > >> >> > >a case where he thinks it is in her best interests. Just as he may > > >> >> > > only dispose of her wealth in that which is in her best > > >> >> > >interests, the same applies with regard to arranging her > > >> >> > >marriage. Islam only permits that to the Muslim father who is > > >> >> > >pious and pays proper attention to the best interests of his > > >> >> > >children, and who understands very well that he is a shepherd and > > >> >> > >that he is responsible for his flock.Ãâà> > >> >> > >Ibn Wahb narrated that Maalik said, with regard to a man > > >> >> > >arranging a marriage for an orphan girl under his care: If he > > >> >> > >thinks that (the husband) is a man of virtue, righteousness and > > >> >> > >wisdom, it is permissible for him to do that.Ãâà> > >> >> > >Ahkaam al-Qurâââ‰â¢aan by al-Jassaas, 2/342Ãâà> > >> >> > >Fourthly:Ãâà> > >> >> > >A man should not consummate marriage with his young bride until > > >> >> > >she is physically able to bear intercourse. This varies from one > > >> >> > >time, place and environment to another.Ãâà> > >> >> > >For more information please see the answers to questions no. 22442 > > >> >> > >and 127176.Ãâà> > >> >> > >What young men and guardians of girls should do is hasten to > > >> >> > >arrange marriages, so as to guard chastity and protect honour, and > > >> >> > >so as to attain the great purposes for which Allah ordained > > >> >> > >marriage.Ãâà> > >> >> > >And Allah knows best. > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >Islam Q&A > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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