Hehehe... emang bajingan si Teddy ini.
>________________________________ > From: Teddy S. <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 3:56 PM >Subject: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item abu"... > > > >Kalau tidak kalah, pastilah menang. >Orang yang main saham sudah tahu pasti risikonya.Kalau tidak mau rugi jangan >main saham karena tidak ada yang memaksa. Jadi pernyataan lu tentang Warren >Buffet benar-benar menggelikan. Rupanya ada Don Quixote di dunia nyata. Ha ha >ha!!! > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Kalo orang beli mobil mewah padahal ada banyak orang kelaparan, orang itu >> adalah bajingan, ga peduli dr mana duitnya. >> >> Emangnya, gimana orang bisa kaya kalo bukannya dgn memangsa orang lain? >> >> >> Apa misalnya si Eka Tjipta Wijaya itu kaya bukannya dgn ngerusak alam lewat >> perkebunan kelapa sawit dan pabrik kertas? Apa si Warren Buffet bukannya >> kaya krn dpt untung di pasar saham di mana orang lain rugi? Apa keluarga >> Walton pemilik Walmart bukannya kaya antara lain krn buruh di negara >> berkembang kerja dgn upah minim sementara Walmart bisa untung gede? >> >> Jadi orang kaya yg ga peduli dgn orang lain itu adalah bajingan, ga peduli >> apakah hartanya "halal" apa kagak. >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> > From: widura <a.widura@...> >> >To: [email protected] >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:43 PM >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item >> >abu"... >> > >> > >> > >> >Betul, hak. Berhak beli, berhak juga berkomentar. Sepanjang orang yg beli >> >mobil/barang mewah dari hasil kerja kerasnya yg benar, itu bukan bajingan, >> >tetapi menikmati hasil kerjanya. Katakanlah barang mewah sebagai stymulus >> >yg memotivasi orang utk lebih giat bekerja supaya bisa memilikinya atau >> >untuk "naik kelas". Apalagi hak kepemilikannya ini juga sudah dikenakan >> >pajak yg sangat besar. Kurang valid kalo memvonis orang beli mobil mewah >> >langsung si cap bajingan. Banyak faktor yg mesti dilihat lagi untuk sampai >> >memvonis bajingan. Seperti pejabat publik misalnya, ini perlu di selidiki >> >sumber dana yg dipakai utk beli mobil mewah. >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: item abu <itemabu@...> >> >Sender: [email protected] >> >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:47:24 >> >To: [email protected]<[email protected]> >> >Reply-To: [email protected] >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item >> >abu"... >> > >> >Silakan aja orang mau pake duitnya buat beli barang mewah apapun jg, itu >> >sih hak mereka. >> > >> >Cuma aja, hehehe... orang lain jg berhak unt bilang orang2 itu adalah >> >bajingan borjuis yg ga peduli dgn orang lain, bukan? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>________________________________ >> >> From: widura <a.widura@...> >> >>To: [email protected] >> >>Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:14 AM >> >>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item >> >>abu"... >> >> >> >>Sebenarnya kalau prosesnya benar keberadaan mobil mewah tidak jadi masalah >> >>karena struktur cost yg dibayar pemiliknya boleh dibilang besar di pajak >> >>barang mewahnya dan biaya2 lainnya yg dibayar ke kas negara. Dari pajak >> >>inilah yg mestinya digunakan utk redistribusi pendapatan agar ada >> >>manfaatnya utk masyarakat lain yg kekurangan dan atau belum mampu beli >> >>mobil/barang mewah. Relatif sedikit orang yg memiliki kemampuan beli mobil >> >>mewah. Kalau ada pejabat publik yg bisa beli mobil mewah, tinggal minta >> >>pembuktiannya sumber dana yg digunakannya itu. Ini ada yg bertugas untuk >> >>memeriksanya, cuma ngga tau berfungsi apa tidak satuan tugas ini. Belum >> >>lagi masalah kontrol pendapatan dan penggunaan pajak negara, informasi >> >>inilah yg mesti di buat setransparan mungkin ke publik sebagai salah satu >> >>alat kontrol. >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@...> >> >>Sender: [email protected] >> >>Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 01:23:27 >> >>To: <[email protected]> >> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >> >>Subject: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item >> >>abu"... >> >> >> >>Saya jadi teringat komentar salah seorang Islam di mailing list ini dulu: >> >> >> >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/116859 >> >> >> >>Saya kutip: >> >> >> >> >> >>"lu dan ade manusia guoblok >> >>yang cuma bisa nulis raja arab pakansi, gak mutu >> >>lu orangnya sirik, irihati >> >>lha orang2 yang punya toko kesenengan >> >>elu ama ade kok susah lihat orang seneng dasar manusia berhati busuk >> >>dan jahat, culas, seneng kalo lihat orang menderita lu baru seneng >> >> >> >>lha duit2 orang mau dipake pakansi kek, >> >>itu kan hak asazi orang, nggak ada yang bisa larang >> >>emangngya salah apa sih orang pakansi, shopping >> >>emangnya peke duit lu >> >>kampungan lu" >> >> >> >> >> >>--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Tentunya si raja Saudi ini akan kaing2 "itu duit ane sendiri, kenapa ane >> >>> ga boleh make". Si Teddy, johny_indon dan anggota DPR jg kaing2 yg sama, >> >>> bukan? >> >>> >> >>> Jadi si Teddy dan johny_indon itu boleh bangga krn satu kelompok dgn >> >>> raja Saudi dan anggota DPR yg "terhormat". >> >>> >> >>> (Kalo gua sih malu, makanya waktu ada anggota DPR tinggal di depan gua, >> >>> gua ga pernah datang ke rumahnya biarpun diundang). >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >________________________________ >> >>> > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> >> >>> >To: [email protected] >> >>> >Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:59 PM >> >>> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item >> >>> >abu"... >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >Satu lagi: >> >>> > >> >>> >http://www.islamawareness.net/MiddleEast/Saudi/extravagance1.html >> >>> >Saudi king and royal extravagance >> >>> > >> >>> >2002-09-04 09:27:23 >> >>> > >> >>> >Inter Press Service >> >>> > >> >>> >4 September 2002 >> >>> > >> >>> >http://ummahnews.com/viewarticle.php?sid=4190 >> >>> > >> >>> >The extravagant vacations of Saudi King Fahd and his >> >>> > >> >>> >royal retinue in Spain are disproportionate for a >> >>> > >> >>> >country that has political and social problems, >> >>> > >> >>> >despite its oil wealth. The 81-year-old king of Saudi >> >>> > >> >>> >Arabia, Fahd bin Abdul Aziz Al- Saud, accompanied by >> >>> > >> >>> >nearly all of his children and family members and an >> >>> > >> >>> >entourage of more than 3,000, has been vacationing on >> >>> > >> >>> >Spain's Costa del Sol since Aug. 14. >> >>> > >> >>> >In the posh Mediterranean resort town of Marbella, 450 >> >>> > >> >>> >kms southeast of Madrid, he stays in his palace, a >> >>> > >> >>> >replica of the White House named "Mar Mar". Just the >> >>> > >> >>> >preparations of the palace for his visit ran to $185 >> >>> > >> >>> >million. >> >>> > >> >>> >Luxury villas and 300 rooms in five-star hotels were >> >>> > >> >>> >rented for the rest of the royal family in and around >> >>> > >> >>> >Marbella. Chic restaurants and jewelry shops have >> >>> > >> >>> >cheerfully prepared for the Saudi visitors, who spent >> >>> > >> >>> >$90 million on their last stay, in 1999. >> >>> > >> >>> >On this year's visit, which is to be one month longer >> >>> > >> >>> >than the last one, they are expected to spend as much >> >>> > >> >>> >as $300 million. Although a boon for Spain's tourist >> >>> > >> >>> >industry, that sum indicates the Saudi leaders' lack >> >>> > >> >>> >of concern for their own people. >> >>> > >> >>> >Emma Bonino, an Italian member of the European >> >>> > >> >>> >Parliament, said the royal family has more than $600 >> >>> > >> >>> >billion in funds abroad, and is "more interested in >> >>> > >> >>> >investing them on the international markets than at >> >>> > >> >>> >home." >> >>> > >> >>> >Saudi Arabia ranked 71st out of 173 nations on the >> >>> > >> >>> >United Nations Development Program's (UNDP) latest >> >>> > >> >>> >Human Development Index, which measures factors like >> >>> > >> >>> >life expectancy, school enrollment, and distribution >> >>> > >> >>> >of wealth. Ahead of Saudi Arabia are nations like >> >>> > >> >>> >Thailand, Venezuela, Colombia and Slovenia. Per capita >> >>> > >> >>> >income in Saudi Arabia plunged from $35,000 to $7,000 >> >>> > >> >>> >in just 20 years, while the country's Gross National >> >>> > >> >>> >Product grew just one percent a year on average during >> >>> > >> >>> >the same period, and its 3.8 percent demographic >> >>> > >> >>> >growth rate is one of the highest in the world. >> >>> > >> >>> >Meanwhile, discriminatory policies remain in place, >> >>> > >> >>> >such as those that keep the princes and their families >> >>> > >> >>> >separate from the rest of the population, and >> >>> > >> >>> >especially from the immigrants, who keep the economy >> >>> > >> >>> >running, not to mention the discrimination against >> >>> > >> >>> >women. Evidence of that was experienced by Bonino >> >>> > >> >>> >herself when she visited Saudi Arabia as part of a >> >>> > >> >>> >delegation sent by the European Parliament's >> >>> > >> >>> >commission of foreign affairs. >> >>> > >> >>> >When they were received by the chair of the Saudi >> >>> > >> >>> >parliament, Salih bin Abdullah bin Humaid, the women >> >>> > >> >>> >deputies were "denied the honor of a handshake or >> >>> > >> >>> >eye-to-eye contact," said Bonino, while explanations >> >>> > >> >>> >that Islam considers women to be different from men >> >>> > >> >>> >were addressed to the male deputy guests. >> >>> > >> >>> >Several Spanish media outlets reported that a British >> >>> > >> >>> >agency has provided a large group of women to >> >>> > >> >>> >accompany the Saudi men during their vacations in >> >>> > >> >>> >Spain, on two conditions: the women must be young and >> >>> > >> >>> >blonde, and must be replaced every 15 days. >> >>> > >> >>> >Although prostitution is legal in Spain, procuring is >> >>> > >> >>> >punishable by law. Nevertheless, no authority or >> >>> > >> >>> >organization has moved against the British agency, >> >>> > >> >>> >even though the contract was made public. Nor has the >> >>> > >> >>> >illegal hiring of around 50 active-service police >> >>> > >> >>> >officers to moonshine as bodyguards for the Saudi >> >>> > >> >>> >king, princes and princesses been questioned. The >> >>> > >> >>> >arrangement has been reported by several media >> >>> > >> >>> >outlets, with no reaction from the government. >> >>> > >> >>> >On the contrary, King Fahd has been given a royal >> >>> > >> >>> >welcome, and was visited in Mar Mar by King Juan >> >>> > >> >>> >Carlos, although according to protocol, the Spanish >> >>> > >> >>> >sovereign should have received the visiting monarch. >> >>> > >> >>> >Fahd will also receive visits from Spanish Prime >> >>> > >> >>> >Minister Jose Maria Aznar and U.S. Secretary of State >> >>> > >> >>> >Colin Powell. The Saudi monarch and Powell are >> >>> > >> >>> >expected to discuss present or future U.S. actions >> >>> > >> >>> >against Iraq, a touchy subject on which the two >> >>> > >> >>> >countries are publicly divided. >> >>> > >> >>> >Another question that may be addressed is a lawsuit >> >>> > >> >>> >that a group of Saudis are preparing against the U.S. >> >>> > >> >>> >government and several media outlets for >> >>> > >> >>> >"pyschological and economic damages" suffered since >> >>> > >> >>> >the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York and >> >>> > >> >>> >Washington. >> >>> > >> >>> >The lawsuit was announced Aug. 21 in Washington by >> >>> > >> >>> >Saudi lawyer Katih al Shamri. >> >>> > >> >>> >The dispute over the succession to the Saudi throne >> >>> > >> >>> >further compounds Saudi Arabia's social problems and >> >>> > >> >>> >the difficulties arising from the conflict in the >> >>> > >> >>> >Middle East and the "war on terrorism" declared by >> >>> > >> >>> >President George W. Bush, whose government is getting >> >>> > >> >>> >ready to target Iraq. >> >>> > >> >>> >Saudi Arabia is important to the United States, as it >> >>> > >> >>> >accounts for 25 percent of the world's oil reserves, >> >>> > >> >>> >and 10 percent of global oil production. >> >>> > >> >>> >--- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> >> >>> >wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Ini satu lagi kemewahan yang menjijikkan... >> >>> >> >> >>> >> http://www.sundream-estate.com/new-36-marbella-remember-king-fahd..html >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Marbella Remember King Fahd. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Marbella Remember King Fahd. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Fahd bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud. 1923 â€" August 1, 2005. He was the >> >>> >> king and prime minister of Saudi Arabia and leader of the House of >> >>> >> Saud. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Everyone has a favourite Fahd story. Mine was that day he cast a >> >>> >> glance eye over Marbella's Hotel Don Pepe. He sent a secretary to >> >>> >> enquire how much would the owners want for the hotel. The answerable >> >>> >> was politely told the hotel was not for sale. The secretary replied: >> >>> >> "Everyone has a price when in comes to the king". But not that time. >> >>> >> It was one of the very few occasions that Fahd was rejected. But his >> >>> >> love affair with Marbella was not dimmed. He told a local journalist >> >>> >> that he liked the town "because it is part of a land blessed by >> >>> >> Allah", referring to the time when the area had been occupied by the >> >>> >> Arabs from the 8th to the 13th century. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> King Fahd's Palace. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> From the hotel Incosol just outside Marbella, Fahd directed the >> >>> >> construction of his Marbella property, Mar Mar Palace, modelled on >> >>> >> the White House. And his retinue of 3.000 courtiers spent like money >> >>> >> was about to go out of fashion. Krug and caviar become the order of >> >>> >> the day on the Golden Mile. A local newspaper calculated that a Fahd >> >>> >> summer visit saw the profits at Puerto Banus rise by 35.000 Euros a >> >>> >> day. Tales of excess and extravagance, of sex and shopping sprees, >> >>> >> filled the pages of the world's tabloid press. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Fahd becomes known as the king of Bling, the Sultan of Splendour. His >> >>> >> personal wealth was estimated at Euro 25 billion. "He earned more in >> >>> >> a minute that eny monarch in history did in a year", observed a >> >>> >> suitably impressed writer for the Financial Times. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Ibn Saud's favourite son. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> He arrived at Malaga International Airport in his own customised >> >>> >> Boing-747. Its fittings included a solid gold toilet, gold cutlery >> >>> >> and plates, and a gold throne. But Fahd often preferred to squat on >> >>> >> the floor; perhaps it was a reminder that his father, Ibn Saud, had >> >>> >> been an uneducated desert Bedouin. Recognised as the country's first >> >>> >> monarch of a new kingdom, Ibn Saud fathered a dynasty of 46 sons by >> >>> >> numerous wives. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Fahd, was Ibn Saud favourite son, spent his youth in Paris and at the >> >>> >> casino in Monte Carlo. I once watched him spend five million francs >> >>> >> on the throw of a dice. Next night, he turned up with his latest toy; >> >>> >> a customised pen that could sign a cheque in gold ink. He also had >> >>> >> the casino fountain gush only Cristal champagne while he was at the >> >>> >> table. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Marbella Official Mourning. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> All this â€" and more â€" made him a fawned upon favourite at >> >>> >> the Hotel Incosol. Staff marvelled at the way Fahd could smoke two >> >>> >> cigarettes at one time; he would have an ashtray on either side of >> >>> >> his chair. No one at the hotel knows how many wives he brought. More >> >>> >> certain, he was one of the first kings to parade his mistresses in >> >>> >> public. When he died August 2005, the sense of loss in Marbella was >> >>> >> marked by the town major, Marisol Yague, declaring three days of >> >>> >> official mourning and the town hall rushed through a decree that the >> >>> >> late king was an adopted son of the municipality. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> In the hotel Incosol, and the other grand hotels of the coast, no >> >>> >> longer would flunkeys murmur the most potent words in the Spanish >> >>> >> language; "el rey pagar'a" (the king will pay). No longer would >> >>> >> Antonia Molina, the owner of Marbella's finest jewellers, Gomez & >> >>> >> Molina, prepare herself to spend up to a day showing Fahd her latest >> >>> >> collections of precious stones. No longer would the staff of Marbella >> >>> >> Casino receive a signed blank cheque for the Saudi princes to gamble >> >>> >> the night away. And no longer would the staff at the hotel Incosol >> >>> >> receive the king of tips Fahd once gave them; 300.000 Euro â€" >> >>> >> enough for the entire staff to receive an extra year's salary. Puerto >> >>> >> Banus will miss one of the large tourist attractions when King Fahd's >> >>> >> huge yacht â€"Shaf, is mooring in the harbour. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> The Last Arab Monarch? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Now in only King Fahd had tried out some of the spa treatments at >> >>> >> Hotel Incosol, he might have still been able to enjoy his earlier >> >>> >> lifestyle as the undisputed Big Spender of the Costa del Sol. Is he >> >>> >> forever doomed to be remembered as the last of the old style Arab >> >>> >> monarchs? Or is there among his many sons a potential successor? If >> >>> >> so, the one certainty is he is unlikely to avail himself of the >> >>> >> facilities at hotel Incosol. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> In these turbulent times for the House of Saud, its members know that >> >>> >> any display of pampering will alienate the further from their own >> >>> >> people â€" bringing closer the day that Osama bin Laden has >> >>> >> promised will see the end of the royal House of Saudi. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Monument after King Fahd >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Europa Point in Gibraltar has the largest mosque in a non-Islamic >> >>> >> country. Like the mosque on Marbella's Golden Mile, it was paid for >> >>> >> by King Fahd of Saudi Arabia and opened in 1997 as a focal point for >> >>> >> Arabs travelling in southern Europe. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > Mirip dgn kata si Oom Pasikom, orang2 Islam plus plus di milis ini >> >>> >> > bilang "jangan sirik, apa salahnya jadi orang kaya bermewah2, yg >> >>> >> > penting duit ane sendiri koq. Peduli amat dgn orang lain". >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >________________________________ >> >>> >> > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> >> >>> >> > >To: [email protected] >> >>> >> > >Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:16 PM >> >>> >> > >Subject: [proletar] Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item >> >>> >> > >abu"... >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > >Soal mobil mewah: sekedar informasi buat "item abu"... >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > >Karikatur ini juga jelas belum basi.. >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > >http://sosbud.kompasiana.com/2011/11/26/pakai-innova-anggota-dpr-takut-mati-ham-ala-pejabat-negara >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------ >> >> >> >>Post message: [email protected] >> >>Subscribe : [email protected] >> >>Unsubscribe : [email protected] >> >>List owner : [email protected] >> >>Homepage  : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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